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jebem · (This post was last modified: 08-21-2014 07:56 PM by jebem.)

This one is just for fun!
On a second thought, maybe not.
How much Physics does it takes to fully understand this experiment?

Dave Britten · 08-22-2014, 12:20 PM

(08-21-2014 07:51 PM)jebem Wrote: How much Physics does it takes to fully understand this experiment?

More than what I needed to pass the AP Physics exam, evidently.

W.B.Grant · 08-22-2014, 01:39 PM

Very interesting; thanks for that.
More physics than I learned in tech school in the 70's, for sure.

jebem · 08-22-2014, 04:10 PM

(08-22-2014 12:20 PM)Dave Britten Wrote:
(08-21-2014 07:51 PM)jebem Wrote: How much Physics does it takes to fully understand this experiment?

More than what I needed to pass the AP Physics exam, evidently.

(08-22-2014 01:39 PM)W.B.Grant Wrote: Very interesting; thanks for that.
More physics than I learned in tech school in the 70's, for sure.

I can tell the same. My EE training from the 70's and later work experience on RF telecommunications along the years never really covered this very specific area of Physics - Static electricity and other stuff like Tesla technology.
So I'm lacking in theory knowledge here.

This experiment, replicated by many others that have published videos in the Youtube as well, looks like the closest thing to a magic trick to me.
Well, I'm convinced that real magic (not cheap tricks from circus) is based on pure science - Only our current science just didn't arrived there yet Smile

Bunuel66 · 08-22-2014, 07:53 PM

I have read across the web a lot of complex explanations of this demo. IMHO the explanation is very very simple. Charges are stored at the surface of the glass, the two copper cylinder being fully conductive and creating an electric transverse field charges move accordingly and create a potential difference. There is no spark through the glass as its conductivity is much too low. When the experimenter reduce the gap in air a corona discharge occurs. Then when removing the cylinders the charges remain on the glass surface and the copper (after being removed) is just at the same potential than the experimenter. This is valid for both cylinders. Then after being removed those cylinders are no more than copper electrodes in air. When reassembling the copper cylinders with the glass, they regain the potential of the glass surface with which they are in contact. The glass can be manipulated by the part not being between the copper cylinders as it is non conductive and no difference of potential exists in the upper part (you can manipulate a wire under voltage with an isolator). What would be interesting would be to put a wire bounding the two surfaces of the glass (without the copper cylinders), if my theory is correct a spark should still occurs. In other words it is just like connecting two electrodes to an electric cell showing there is a dop between them, disconnecting the electrodes and showing that there is not any more any dop, then reconnecting them and showing that the dop (of the cell) between them is back...

walter b · (This post was last modified: 08-22-2014 09:20 PM by walter b.)

dop = d o potential?? Confused

Thanks in advance for enlightenment.

d:-?

Bunuel66 · (This post was last modified: 08-23-2014 12:25 PM by Bunuel66.)

yes, you guess it right for dop ;-)

walter b · 08-23-2014, 02:13 PM

(08-23-2014 12:25 PM)Bunuel66 Wrote: yes, you guess it right for dop ;-)

Thankyou, now I've only to learn what you meant by d and o. Progress is a snail Confused

d:-)

(And you've to learn that you should use <Quote> for responding so your reply can be allocated correctly. @Massimo: the reminder of today.)

Massimo Gnerucci · 08-23-2014, 02:24 PM

(08-23-2014 02:13 PM)walter b Wrote: (And you've to learn that you should use <Quote> for responding so your reply can be allocated correctly. @Massimo: the reminder of today.)

Groan.

Joe Horn · 08-23-2014, 03:46 PM

(08-22-2014 07:53 PM)Bunuel66 Wrote: ... difference of potential ... dop ... dop ... dop ....

(08-22-2014 09:19 PM)walter b Wrote: dop = d o potential?? Thanks in advance for enlightenment.

walter b · 08-23-2014, 03:47 PM

(08-23-2014 02:24 PM)Massimo Gnerucci Wrote:
(08-23-2014 02:13 PM)walter b Wrote: (... @Massimo: the reminder of today.)

Groan.

Shall I work with "CETERVM CENSEO" instead?

d;-)

Massimo Gnerucci · 08-23-2014, 03:53 PM

(08-23-2014 03:47 PM)walter b Wrote: Shall I work with "CETERVM CENSEO" instead?

d;-)

Nope, thanks.
The only thing to understand is: who/what is Carthaginem here? Wink

Have a nice weekend!

walter b · 08-23-2014, 04:06 PM

(08-23-2014 03:53 PM)Massimo Gnerucci Wrote: who/what is Carthaginem here?

FACILE: CETERVM CENSEO <New Reply> ESSE DELENDAM.

=c{;-)

Massimo Gnerucci · 08-23-2014, 04:08 PM

(08-23-2014 04:06 PM)walter b Wrote: FACILE: CETERVM CENSEO <New Reply> ESSE DELENDAM.

=c{;-)

I think threaded mode should be deleted in MyBB: I was an user of threaded mode in the old forum and found it really useful, not here anymore.

walter b · 08-23-2014, 04:34 PM

(08-23-2014 04:08 PM)Massimo Gnerucci Wrote: I think threaded mode should be deleted in MyBB: I was an user of threaded mode in the old forum and found it really useful, not here anymore.

That would be a regress IMHO. I pointed that out recently elsewhere.

d:-)