Poll: Landscape or Portrait?

[Jlouis]

Which one do you prefer?

[Jlouis]

(03-03-2016 12:44 AM)Geir Isene Wrote:  Portrait!

Ok Geir, you were too fast!

Please vote above.

Thanks!

[Dave Frederickson]

Depends on the calculator. The 71B would suck in portrait.

Any of the two above? I count three above.

[Massimo Gnerucci]

(03-03-2016 12:49 AM)Jlouis Wrote:  

(03-03-2016 12:44 AM)Geir Isene Wrote:  Portrait!

Ok Geir, you were too fast! :)

Please vote above.

Thanks!

Guess what? :)

[Massimo Gnerucci]

(03-03-2016 12:53 AM)Dave Frederickson Wrote:  Depends on the calculator. The 71B would suck in portrait.

That's not even a pure calculator... ;)

[Jlouis]

(03-03-2016 12:53 AM)Dave Frederickson Wrote:  Depends on the calculator. The 71B would suck in portrait.

Any of the two above? I count three above.

You are right Dave, I'm laughing from myself, my apologies.

[Dave Frederickson]

(03-03-2016 12:55 AM)Massimo Gnerucci Wrote:  

(03-03-2016 12:53 AM)Dave Frederickson Wrote:  Depends on the calculator. The 71B would suck in portrait.

That's not even a pure calculator...

Way to alienate the 71B enthusiasts! BTW, I like my Voyagers landscape and everything else portrait, except for the 71 which would still suck in portrait.

[Jlouis]

(03-03-2016 12:55 AM)Massimo Gnerucci Wrote:  

(03-03-2016 12:53 AM)Dave Frederickson Wrote:  Depends on the calculator. The 71B would suck in portrait.

That's not even a pure calculator...

So, HP41 is not a pure calculator, is it?

[Massimo Gnerucci]

(03-03-2016 01:08 AM)Dave Frederickson Wrote:  

(03-03-2016 12:55 AM)Massimo Gnerucci Wrote:  That's not even a pure calculator...

Way to alienate the 71B enthusiasts!

Why?
Definition from the Museum's main page: HP-71B Even Smaller Computer/Calculator

[Massimo Gnerucci]

(03-03-2016 01:10 AM)Jlouis Wrote:  

(03-03-2016 12:55 AM)Massimo Gnerucci Wrote:  That's not even a pure calculator...

So, HP41 is not a pure calculator, is it?

From The Introduction:

The HP-41C represents a totally new concept in the design of Hewlett-Packard calculators. In fact, because of the advanced capabilities of the HP-41C, it can even be called a personal computing system. The HP-41C is the first Hewlett-Packard handheld calculator offering an exciting array of alphanumeric capabilities.

Still an handheld calculator though. The core of a system.

[Dave Frederickson]

(03-03-2016 01:11 AM)Massimo Gnerucci Wrote:  

(03-03-2016 01:08 AM)Dave Frederickson Wrote:  Way to alienate the 71B enthusiasts!

Why?
Definition from the Museum's main page: HP-71B Even Smaller Computer/Calculator

It sounded like you thought the poll should be restricted to pure calculators.

[Massimo Gnerucci]

(03-03-2016 01:19 AM)Dave Frederickson Wrote:  

(03-03-2016 01:11 AM)Massimo Gnerucci Wrote:  Why?
Definition from the Museum's main page: HP-71B Even Smaller Computer/Calculator

It sounded like you thought the poll should be restricted to pure calculators.

No, sorry if it sounded like that.
Just referring to definitions, and I also appended a smiley! ;)

[Jlouis]

"...even being called a personal computer..."

I'm only a curious here, but the 41 has Alfa and programmable, highly customizable, lots of peripherals....there's another big differences from the 71 beyond language and format?

I really want to know and understand, I'm not being ironic, please.

Thanks

[Dave Frederickson]

For the record, the 1984 HP Catalog, p.585, refers to "Series 40 Handheld Computers". In the '85 catalog, p.63, the 71B is introduced as a Handheld Computer and the 41's were demoted to Advanced Calculators.

I don't think the 75 and the Portables count 'cause they don't have a dedicated numeric keypad.

Dave

[Dave Frederickson]

(03-03-2016 01:52 AM)Geir Isene Wrote:  

(03-03-2016 01:48 AM)Dave Frederickson Wrote:  For the record, the 1984 HP Catalog, p.585, refers to "Series 40 Handheld Computers". In the '85 catalog, p.63, the 71B is introduced as a Handheld Computer and the 41's were demoted to Advanced Calculators.

I don't think the 75 and the Portables count 'cause they don't have a dedicated numeric keypad.

Dave

Agreed. But the 9810, 9815...?

Good point. Perhaps this poll should be limited to handheld calculators, but then someone will try to hold a 9810/15 in their hand and hurt themselves.

[Jlouis]

(03-03-2016 02:03 AM)Geir Isene Wrote:  

(03-03-2016 01:57 AM)Dave Frederickson Wrote:  Good point. Perhaps this poll should be limited to handheld calculators, but then someone will try to hold a 9810/15 in their hand and hurt themselves.

Yeah. So let's limit the poll to calculators that are meant as hand-held and excluding any computer/calculators. Clear enough demarkation?

Ok, fair enough.

In fact, the poll is very, very simple.

Thanks for the healthy and intelligent debate!

Cheers

[rprosperi]

Nothing like a poll to stir things up...

I've used both portrait (most) and landscape (Voyagers and 71B) for so long it's hard to think of the same machine in another orientation. E.g. it's hard to think of using a 12C in a portrait layout, or a 15C.

As the only relevant data point so far, for those 41 users that are now using a DM41L - how is it? To be fair, it's hard to compare 30+ years of use with a month or two, but it would be interesting to hear feedback.

With the DM42L and possibly the WP-35S coming out in landscape, it would be nice to hear feedback from users that have "made the switch", which might positively influence these new landscape designs.

[TASP]

I have a visceral revulsion towards the landscape style.

I remember ordering my HP71 and was really eager to get it, but actually having it was a significant letdown. Till coming here, I wasn't really sure why I didn't like my 71, it has the 41 translator, extra memory, and the IL module, but I never had that 'damn this is slick' feeling from using it that I did with my HP41CV, and it's follow on HP41CX. (BTW, I'm sure I could have fixed my CV with what I know now about lose screws and intermittent zebra connectors, damn me for getting rid of it!)

I've amassed quite a collection of HP machines now, and except for the 71 and the 75 I bought back in the 80s, I have no landscape machines.

Now, how would I feel about the Swiss Micros units? Idunno. I suspect as a novelty, it would be like the 71, cool for a week, and then relegated to the display case, or maybe even the bottom desk drawer.

The Go41 app is portrait, and I am really enjoying having a CX (and a 67) hidden in my phone and with me at all times. And since I have a $24 cell phone, no anxiety if I drop it in water. (my head would explode if something happened to flagship)

Not sure why I hate the landscape format so much, I just do.

[Thomas Radtke]

(x) Depends

[Geoff Quickfall]

Diagonal: best of both worlds!

Really, portrait unless it's landscape.

8-D