Max thermal paper diameter for 82240B?

[lemontea]

Hi folks,

Need to ask another question.

What's the max paper length for the 82240B thermal printer?

I know the WIDTH is to be 2 1/4 inches.

How about roll size (length) so that it fits in the device?

I've seen rolls offered at 85 feet.

(And bonus answer if anyone has any good paper brand/type to recommend, or if generic from Amazon will be OK).

Thanks.

[Sadsilence]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-1-4-x-85-1-Ply...xyldpR7vK7

[lemontea]

(06-02-2017 05:52 AM)Sadsilence Wrote:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-1-4-x-85-1-Ply...xyldpR7vK7

Thanks for the link BUT they don't ship to USA.....

Anyway if 85 feet is good, then that's what I will get.

[Duane Hess]

Oops! I was beat to it!

The 82240B manual states to use HP82175 paper, which is 85' long. Anymore its a fairly safe bet, if the thermal paper is of the correct size, (2-14"x85') its OK. Especially if the paper is a major name brand it should be safe to use.

Many archived posts here were about HP's 82035 & 82175 paper. There was abrasion issues between the two papers, depending on what device it is used in. I've even contacted a OEM paper manufacturer about differences in thermal paper.

For a fair amount of time most all manufacturers comply with the IBM Testing Process for thermal paper:
"The IBM® Testing Process is an "Industry Standard" test for the thermal papers used in the marketplace. To be IBM® approved, the paper must pass a 100km of paper printhead test without abrasion or build-up, with no cutting failures. IBM testing only confirms that the use of approved papers will not negatively affect the operating life of an IBM thermal printer."

Many sellers (Amazon, Staples, eBay, etc....) will state their paper conforms with the IBM standard and have the above blurb. The IBM process is a whole host of things, abrasion, physical durability, chemical content, etc., etc. So a conformity statement may not refer to all compliance sections. But any I've seen to mention the above abrasion compliance.

IBM proposed this standard because there was industry wide print-head wear problems amungst other issues, depending on the paper brand. Generally, I believe the standard has been around over 10 years(?).

I use PM Company PMC05233, which is a 3 roll pack (2-1/4"x85'). Many office supply places have it. It can be found on that auction site with buy it now varying anywhere from $1.00/roll to $5.00/roll. It does comply with the IBM standard.

100Km is 62.5 miles; 330,000 feet (3882 rolls).... probably way more than most people use. In the last few years I've gone through only one 85' roll myself in a HP-97. The comment being, most people will probably not be affected by abrasion issues with modern paper in their lifetime. But the whole abrasion thing rubs me the wrong way. (no, a pun was not intented) (but still sounds good)

[Duane Hess]

Don't know, but the only major issue you may have with modernly manufactured paper relates to the chemical content.

i.e. how it reacts to heat. As print-heads do vary.

Problems would be reflected in image not dark enough, or image of an adjacent dot "continues", i.e. very slight smearing, as the head moves. If you have major smearing there is probably a device issue.

I'd be surprised if you would run across that; just switch paper.

[lemontea]

Many thanks!

The advice was exactly what I was looking for!

[Dieter]

(06-02-2017 06:30 AM)Duane Hess Wrote:  The 82240B manual states to use HP82175 paper, which is 85' long. Anymore its a fairly safe bet, if the thermal paper is of the correct size, (2-14"x85') its OK.

This should be equivalent to 57 mm / 25 m rolls in the metric world.

(06-02-2017 06:30 AM)Duane Hess Wrote:  I use PM Company PMC05233, which is a 3 roll pack (2-1/4"x85'). Many office supply places have it. It can be found on that auction site with buy it now varying anywhere from $1.00/roll to $5.00/roll. It does comply with the IBM standard.

What? Several USD or EUR per roll ?

This kind of paper is commonly used in cash registers and EC-cash terminals (in Europe, that is). Plain 57 mm thermal paper rolls can be had for about 25 EUR/USD – but that's a box with 50 (!) pcs. or 50 cents (!) per roll. What am I missing here?

Dieter

[lemontea]

Yup, look

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B0141O0WY4

I guess SHIPPING is the other cost...

[Dieter]

(06-02-2017 08:03 AM)lemontea Wrote:  Yup, look

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B0141O0WY4

These are only 55 feet, for about 1,20 USD per roll.

(06-02-2017 08:03 AM)lemontea Wrote:  I guess SHIPPING is the other cost...

Over here it says "free shipping". $-)

What about this one? That's a box with 50 rolls for 21 USD. Which leads to the question: what is the storage life of unused thermal rolls?

BTW, the paper weight here is given as 48 g/m² while others specify 55 g/m². This means that the diameter may also change, which brings us back to the original question regarding the max. diameter (not length!). Also some suppliers claim the printout will not fade in 7 years while others don't. All this might make a difference.

Dieter

[Duane Hess]

Hi Dieter:

You're not missing anything.

I forget this is an international forum. I'm in the USA, so USD. Referenced "TAS" as it would be familiar to most. However, a good name for that site is "expense-Bay". Many things are a bargain, but most of what I want is far from it.

I use PMC paper because about 7 years ago someone here said they used it. An office equipment store I go to carries it. Its about USD $0.70/roll in the 3-pack. Interesting, a retail "brick and mortar" store you walk in to and its 70 cents. Must be the not-online discount.

Likely virtually all manufacturers will be just as good. From what I understand, no standards committee declared IBM's methods a standard. Its a "defacto" standard paper manufacturers adopted due to industry pressure from the plethora of paper quality variances of years ago.

In "stored in the house" environments, I have thermal paper where the image is still readable after 5 years. Stuck in a drawer, of course, i.e. dark. I also have the original HP paper made 40+ years ago and it still prints fine, but does fade way faster. The PMC paper I bought is over 5 years old and still looks/works fine.

Glad you mentioned paper weight. I might scope out a new brand. The PMC paper is quite thin & flimsy, in my opinion. Its somewhat hard to feed into 91/92/97's, but OK once you got it in.

Telpar is a printer manufacturer. There is a simplistic list of storage/stability points on the 2nd page of the following link. It corresponds with what you mentioned:
telpar.com/files/drivers_support/tech_bulletins/TechTip_Paper%20Reources.pdf

[lemontea]

That's true. I didn't even know there were different thermal paper weights!

[toml_12953]

(06-02-2017 06:19 AM)lemontea Wrote:  

(06-02-2017 05:52 AM)Sadsilence Wrote:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-1-4-x-85-1-Ply...xyldpR7vK7

Thanks for the link BUT they don't ship to USA.....

Anyway if 85 feet is good, then that's what I will get.

Did they refuse to ship to you in the USA?
The ad shows:

"Item location:
San Francisco, California, United States
 
Ships to:
United States and many other countries | See details "

[Sylvain Cote]

For my TopCat, 82143A, 82162A & 82240A/B, I am using thermal paper of 2-1/4 inches x 75 feet roll.
2-1/4 inches thermal paper roll can be easily found at Staples in multiple lengths (50', 75', 85', etc.) and packages (3, 10, 50, 100, etc.).

For my HP-10 & HP-19C calculators, I am using 38 mm by 50 feet roll thermal paper. (search for "38 mm X 50 Thermal Paper" on eBay)
This is the same paper used in the taxi cab meters and the normal price is a little less than $30.00 USD for a box of 100 rolls.
These rolls are too thick (1" 3/8) and need to be reduced to 1" 3/16. Either you remove the excess of paper or you create 2 rolls with one (what I do).

Sylvain

[lemontea]

(06-02-2017 10:12 AM)toml_12953 Wrote:  

(06-02-2017 06:19 AM)lemontea Wrote:  Thanks for the link BUT they don't ship to USA.....

Anyway if 85 feet is good, then that's what I will get.

Did they refuse to ship to you in the USA?
The ad shows:

"Item location:
San Francisco, California, United States
 
Ships to:
United States and many other countries | See details "

Yup,

"The address specified in your cart is in a location that does not meet the seller's shipping requirements. You can change the shipping address in your cart and try adding this item again, or contact the seller to request an exemption."

[rprosperi]

(06-02-2017 04:39 PM)lemontea Wrote:  "The address specified in your cart is in a location that does not meet the seller's shipping requirements. You can change the shipping address in your cart and try adding this item again, or contact the seller to request an exemption."

I've seen several times where the listing says ships to USA, but ebay system concludes seller will not ship to Hawaii, due to higher cost. Contact the seller and ask to confirm, as I've heard they sometimes will do so, possibly with a slight increase in shipping.

On the other hand, you get to live in Hawaii!

[lemontea]

(06-02-2017 08:14 PM)rprosperi Wrote:  

(06-02-2017 04:39 PM)lemontea Wrote:  "The address specified in your cart is in a location that does not meet the seller's shipping requirements. You can change the shipping address in your cart and try adding this item again, or contact the seller to request an exemption."

I've seen several times where the listing says ships to USA, but ebay system concludes seller will not ship to Hawaii, due to higher cost. Contact the seller and ask to confirm, as I've heard they sometimes will do so, possibly with a slight increase in shipping.

On the other hand, you get to live in Hawaii!

Thanks Bob.

Actually USPS considers HI the same as the other 49 states in terms of nationwide shipping. Same price.

[rprosperi]

(06-02-2017 10:00 PM)lemontea Wrote:  Actually USPS considers HI the same as the other 49 states in terms of nationwide shipping. Same price.

Interesting... I guess when listings exclude HI and AL, this implies they must be shipping via UPS, Fed-X, etc. Still, I would contact seller to straighten it out, the eBay system often makes errors which sellers can easily resolve.

[Eric Rechlin]

(06-03-2017 12:18 AM)rprosperi Wrote:  Interesting... I guess when listings exclude HI and AL, this implies they must be shipping via UPS, Fed-X, etc. Still, I would contact seller to straighten it out, the eBay system often makes errors which sellers can easily resolve.

Why would Alabama be a problem? Just because they're all barefoot and half of them are pregnant (sorry Bertram!) doesn't mean they can't get calculator stuff! Perhaps you mean Alaska (AK)?

[toml_12953]

(06-02-2017 08:03 AM)lemontea Wrote:  Yup, look

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B0141O0WY4

I guess SHIPPING is the other cost...

I see the 55' rolls are more expensive (5.87 USD) than the 85' rolls (4.05 USD) I wonder why that is!

Tom L

[rprosperi]

(06-03-2017 02:27 AM)Eric Rechlin Wrote:  Perhaps you mean Alaska (AK)?

Ahhhh.... yup. I have the luxury of noting that L is next to K on the keyboard, but I don't think it will help in this case.