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hp41cx · 10-08-2017, 05:28 PM

pier4r · (This post was last modified: 10-08-2017 08:37 PM by pier4r.)

950$, for a couple of manuals? (as rare as you wish, still we are not talking about something that was on the moon)

What's going on in the mind of people?

Eddie W. Shore · 10-08-2017, 08:38 PM

Wow it does!

**rprosperi** · 10-08-2017, 08:52 PM

(10-08-2017 08:36 PM)pier4r Wrote: 950$, for a couple of manuals? (as rare as you wish, still we are not talking about something that was on the moon)

What's going on in the mind of people?

There were probably less than 10 sets of manuals like this produced ever, so, really, really rare.

He won't get my money, but he will get it from someone.... no doubt some high-end collector out there has one of the few 95C machines, but no manuals, so adding these will make it far more valuable than 'just' $950.

**Gene** · 10-08-2017, 09:06 PM

Sorry to all, as I'm NOT trying to toot my horn on this, but FWIW, the money does not stay in my pocket. I'm selling this for a well-known person in the community who isn't very well-versed in ebay, etc. I know the price is high, but trying to maximize what is received for this rare item. Again, I keep nothing... not a penny.

Back to our regularly scheduled HP discussions? :-)

pier4r · (This post was last modified: 10-08-2017 09:22 PM by pier4r.)

(10-08-2017 08:52 PM)rprosperi Wrote: He won't get my money, but he will get it from someone.... no doubt some high-end collector out there has one of the few 95C machines, but no manuals, so adding these will make it far more valuable than 'just' $950.

Yes for sure if someone has hundreds of machines in his collections and/or a quite high net income, then 950$ are crumbs.

I only compare the price with other calculators or electronic devices and it seems overblown, maybe it is just me.

edit: Gene I did not even check the seller, just the price and the object.

Massimo Gnerucci · 10-08-2017, 09:26 PM

(10-08-2017 08:36 PM)pier4r Wrote: 950$, for a couple of manuals? (as rare as you wish, still we are not talking about something that was on the moon)

What's going on in the mind of people?

Of course not, or it would cost several times as much.

toml_12953 · 10-09-2017, 03:12 PM

If we could get 10 people together to chip in $100 each, we could make a pdf copy available to the library. We could donate the physical copy to a hands-on computer museum (on-line-only museums don't make sense to me)

Thomas Okken · 10-09-2017, 05:37 PM

(10-09-2017 03:12 PM)toml_12953 Wrote: If we could get 10 people together to chip in $100 each, we could make a pdf copy available to the library. We could donate the physical copy to a hands-on computer museum (on-line-only museums don't make sense to me)

The MoHPC document set already contains scans of these two books.

Gamo · 10-10-2017, 03:05 AM

Got the pdf version and I'm very happy with this manual. Old HP user manual is first class.

Gamo

toml_12953 · 10-10-2017, 03:25 AM

(10-09-2017 05:37 PM)Thomas Okken Wrote:
(10-09-2017 03:12 PM)toml_12953 Wrote: If we could get 10 people together to chip in $100 each, we could make a pdf copy available to the library. We could donate the physical copy to a hands-on computer museum (on-line-only museums don't make sense to me)

The MoHPC document set already contains scans of these two books.

Ah! I didn't check there first. I figured if everyone was making such a fuss about its rarity, people wanted it but were unwilling to pay such a large price. Since we already have the PDF, I have no need of the paper copy.

Craig Bladow · 10-10-2017, 06:24 PM

I think an HP 67C would have made more sense than the 95C. With the 67 being a portable machine, having continuous memory would allow one not to have to always haul magnetic cards everywhere the calculator went. But I guess that is why HP came out with the 41C.

brickviking · 10-10-2017, 09:58 PM

(10-10-2017 06:24 PM)Craig Bladow Wrote: I think an HP 67C would have made more sense than the 95C. With the 67 being a portable machine, having continuous memory would allow one not to have to always haul magnetic cards everywhere the calculator went. But I guess that is why HP came out with the 41C.

There is one bonus case for magstrips: when your calculator (portable or desktop) doesn't have enough "continuous memory" to store all the programs you want to put on it. Everyone has struck this at some time—even you 41 owners. I know I certainly did with the 34C.

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Thomas Okken · (This post was last modified: 10-11-2017 01:30 AM by Thomas Okken.)

I wonder, how many of those printing calculators did HP actually sell, compared to their non-printing equivalents? How many 97s vs. 67s, 19Cs vs. 29Cs, 91s vs. 21s, 92s vs. 22s? (I know those last two pairs aren't really equivalent, but still.)

A printer is great when you need it, but a built-in printer makes a calculator somewhat (19C) or a lot (all the topcats) less portable.

TI appears to have gotten this right early, with their PC-100 printer, and HP eventually followed suit with the 82143, 82162, and 82240. The Corvallis division never made another printing calculator after the topcats.

Killing the 95C before its release, and not creating a 67C, was probably because the 41C was already on the drawing board by then, at least as a rough outline.

(And HP out-TI'd TI with the 41C, in that not just the printer, but even the card reader became an add-on. Which I was very happy about, back in 1979!)

Dieter · 10-11-2017, 06:31 AM

(10-11-2017 01:18 AM)Thomas Okken Wrote: A printer is great when you need it, but a built-in printer makes a calculator somewhat (19C) or a lot (all the topcats) less portable.

But at least they were portable at all. Unlike TI's PC100 series which required AC power. An HP97 could be used in the field and you still could have printed results.

On the other hand I really liked the PC100 series as it allowed alphanumeric output even with a standard LED calculator like the TI58/59. Which was great at that time since it allowed commented printouts or even text prompts – something that later came with the HP41. And, please forgive me, I think the PC100 produced a much nicer looking output than the contemporary HP printers. Does anyone know if a PC100 printer font exist somewhere ?-)

Dieter

Thomas Okken · 10-11-2017, 11:30 AM

(10-11-2017 06:31 AM)Dieter Wrote: Does anyone know if a PC100 printer font exist somewhere ?-)

Apparently, yes: https://fontstruct.com/gallery/tag/30991/Pc100

SlideRule · 10-11-2017, 01:18 PM

(10-11-2017 06:31 AM)Dieter Wrote: ... Does anyone know if a PC100 printer font exist somewhere ?-) ...

Some emulators for the TI-5n series calculators included truetype fonts for PC-100 printouts. A good source site for a multitude of such emulators is TI58C Other Products. This site and other TI calculator sites will likely contain the desired font(s).

BEST!
SlideRule

Craig Bladow · 10-11-2017, 07:06 PM

(10-11-2017 01:18 AM)Thomas Okken Wrote: A printer is great when you need it, but a built-in printer makes a calculator somewhat (19C) or a lot (all the topcats) less portable.

Yes, but then weren't there custom cases to hold your calculator and accessories including the printer? I did a cursory search of TAS but did not come up with any cases. Does anyone know of example of these?

Jlouis · 10-11-2017, 07:39 PM

(10-10-2017 06:24 PM)Craig Bladow Wrote: I think an HP 67C would have made more sense than the 95C. With the 67 being a portable machine, having continuous memory would allow one not to have to always haul magnetic cards everywhere the calculator went. But I guess that is why HP came out with the 41C.

But HP 97 IS portable. Battery operated, and a nice carrying case and still print and read cards.

Ah, I forgot the battery charger pack.

I love the 97.

Massimo Gnerucci · 10-11-2017, 08:08 PM

(10-11-2017 07:39 PM)Jlouis Wrote:
(10-10-2017 06:24 PM)Craig Bladow Wrote: I think an HP 67C would have made more sense than the 95C. With the 67 being a portable machine, having continuous memory would allow one not to have to always haul magnetic cards everywhere the calculator went. But I guess that is why HP came out with the 41C.

But HP 97 IS portable. Battery operated, and a nice carrying case and still print and read cards.

Ah, I forgot the battery charger pack.

I love the 97.

And big, clearly visible, LEDs!