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Werner · (This post was last modified: 02-06-2018 09:15 AM by Werner.)

I only discovered this yesterday (the matrix copy I mean)!
And it works really well, save for one thing: the import does not handle 34 digits with exponents.
Just export the 2x1 matrix containing

Code:

 1/7

 2 SQRT

You get

Code:

1.428571428571428571428571428571429e-1

1.414213562373095048801688724209698

Now copy that and paste it again into Free42 - you get

Code:

"1.4285"

1.414213562373095048801688724209698

The first one is a string. It seems there's a bug in the combination of 34 digits and exponent.
(tested on Free42 Decimal Windows 2.012 and iOS 2.0.12d)

Cheers, Werner

Werner · 02-06-2018, 12:32 PM

Update: there's more going on. Try as I might, I can't get the following

Code:

kg    1

g    0.001

lb    0.45359237

oz    28.3495

slug    14.5939029372

lbt    0.3732417

ton    907.18474

tonUK    1016.0469088

t    1000

ozt    0.031103475

ct    0.0002

grain    0.00006479891

u    1.66057E-27

into my iPhone. It does work on Windows Free42 Decimal, though.
The iOS version insists on treating everything as a string and will return just a 1 column matrix.

Werner

Thomas Okken · (This post was last modified: 02-06-2018 02:08 PM by Thomas Okken.)

(02-06-2018 08:57 AM)Werner Wrote:

Code:

1.428571428571428571428571428571429e-1 1.414213562373095048801688724209698
Now copy that and paste it again into Free42 - you get

Code:

"1.4285" 1.414213562373095048801688724209698

The first one is a string. It seems there's a bug in the combination of 34 digits and exponent.

Hmm. That affects scalar paste as well. Must be a bug in the number parser.
It looks like it doesn't handle negative exponents. Ouch! Release 2.0.13 coming soon...

(02-06-2018 12:32 PM)Werner Wrote: Update: there's more going on. Try as I might, I can't get the following

Code:

kg 1 g 0.001 lb 0.45359237 oz 28.3495 slug 14.5939029372 lbt 0.3732417 ton 907.18474 tonUK 1016.0469088 t 1000 ozt 0.031103475 ct 0.0002 grain 0.00006479891 u 1.66057E-27

into my iPhone. It does work on Windows Free42 Decimal, though.
The iOS version insists on treating everything as a string and will return just a 1 column matrix.

That's probably because the tabs are getting turned into spaces somewhere. The matrix paste logic looks for tabs to separate cells within a row.

Werner · 02-06-2018, 02:22 PM

Thanks Thomas.
Yes, the tabs get turned into spaces by gmail. Can't seem to find a way to keep them, and once I open it on the phone, there's no way even to generate a tab?
The only thing that works so far is to generate a table in Notes, but that means re-typing everything..
Werner

Thomas Okken · 02-06-2018, 03:46 PM

I see tabs turning into spaces with the iOS Mail app, and also with Thunderbird in MacOS. Even the copies in the Sent folder have spaces instead of tabs.

Copying and pasting matrices between Free42 and Notes on iOS works fine. The system does not appear to be at fault, but the email clients.

BarryMead · 02-06-2018, 05:34 PM

(02-06-2018 02:22 PM)Werner Wrote: Thanks Thomas.
Yes, the tabs get turned into spaces by gmail. Can't seem to find a way to keep them, and once I open it on the phone, there's no way even to generate a tab?
The only thing that works so far is to generate a table in Notes, but that means re-typing everything..
Werner

How about if you zip up the file before emailing it?

Thomas Okken · 02-06-2018, 05:51 PM

Or paste the data into Google Sheets...

Thomas Okken · 02-07-2018, 01:51 AM

2.0.13 is out now for Android, Windows, MacOS, and Linux. The iOS version will probably appear in the App Store tomorrow or Thursday.

Werner · 02-07-2018, 08:32 AM

Thanks Thomas.
Google sheets is indeed the way to define the matrices once and be able to copy/paste them in both the Windows version and the iOS version (well I need to test iOS v2.0.13 still) IF you format the column with numerical values as text. There does not seem to be a numerical format that shows all digits, and switches to scientific notation when the numbers get too small or too large, like, well, the 42S does ;-)

Cheers, Werner

grsbanks · 02-07-2018, 02:25 PM

I've mentioned this to the SwissMicros guys but I don't think it has any impact on the DM42.

Didier Lachieze · 02-07-2018, 02:50 PM

It would be nice to have a way to save/restore variables as we have for programs with the .raw files. This would enable for example matrix initialization on the DM42 from a .dat or .var file.

toml_12953 · (This post was last modified: 02-07-2018 03:05 PM by toml_12953.)

(02-07-2018 01:51 AM)Thomas Okken Wrote: 2.0.13 is out now for Android, Windows, MacOS, and Linux. The iOS version will probably appear in the App Store tomorrow or Thursday.

Wow! Such service. Thanks! Do you know if this latest version will appear on the DM42's next release or not?

Thomas Okken · 02-07-2018, 03:15 PM

(02-07-2018 03:04 PM)toml_12953 Wrote:
(02-07-2018 01:51 AM)Thomas Okken Wrote: 2.0.13 is out now for Android, Windows, MacOS, and Linux. The iOS version will probably appear in the App Store tomorrow or Thursday.

Wow! Such service. Thanks! Do you know if this latest version will appear on the DM42's next release or not?

The DM42 doesn't have Copy and Paste, so this change doesn't impact it. They should merge my changes up to and including 2.0.11, but everything since then, so far, has been either Copy & Paste fixes or platform-specific stuff.

Bill (Smithville NJ) · 02-07-2018, 05:41 PM

(02-07-2018 02:50 PM)Didier Lachieze Wrote: It would be nice to have a way to save/restore variables as we have for programs with the .raw files. This would enable for example matrix initialization on the DM42 from a .dat or .var file.

I agree - this would be fantastic. This could be done similar to load/save files or states, or better, a new command where this could be done from within a program on the fly. You could then have a program work on many multiple data sets that had been pre-created.

At present, I am using a saved state to preload a saved matrix.

Bill
Smithville, NJ

toml_12953 · 02-07-2018, 07:14 PM

(02-07-2018 03:15 PM)Thomas Okken Wrote:
(02-07-2018 03:04 PM)toml_12953 Wrote: Wow! Such service. Thanks! Do you know if this latest version will appear on the DM42's next release or not?

The DM42 doesn't have Copy and Paste, so this change doesn't impact it. They should merge my changes up to and including 2.0.11, but everything since then, so far, has been either Copy & Paste fixes or platform-specific stuff.

Duh! Of course! I wasn't thinking. The excitement of a new version and all... Smile

I'm quite happy with the Windows version, though.

Thomas Okken · (This post was last modified: 02-08-2018 08:36 AM by Thomas Okken.)

(02-07-2018 08:32 AM)Werner Wrote: Google sheets is indeed the way to define the matrices once and be able to copy/paste them in both the Windows version and the iOS version (well I need to test iOS v2.0.13 still) IF you format the column with numerical values as text. There does not seem to be a numerical format that shows all digits, and switches to scientific notation when the numbers get too small or too large, like, well, the 42S does ;-)

The new Paste functionality (in Free42 2.0 and later) gets the "text" version of the clipboard, and that contains numerical data in whatever way the originating spreadsheet chose to represent it, including the loss of precision that may result from whatever format is in place.

There are two ways around that: (1) find a way to make the spreadsheet show the numbers at full precision, or (2) add code to core_paste() in Free42 that handles the various vendor-specific data formats that spreadsheets put on the clipboard.

Unfortunately, the "text" (tab-delimited) format is the only one that all the spreadsheets that I tested with support. (Microsoft Excel, Google Sheets, Apple Numbers, and LibreOffice Calc.) Unless someone pays me to do it, option (2) from the previous paragraph is not going to happen, because it's a *lot* of work, so (1) is what I would recommend. Smile

Werner · 02-08-2018, 10:33 AM

O, I'm happy with option (1), Thomas!
It's also the only one to allow defining 34 digits ;-)

Werner

grsbanks · 02-08-2018, 09:11 PM

(02-07-2018 03:15 PM)Thomas Okken Wrote:
(02-07-2018 03:04 PM)toml_12953 Wrote: Wow! Such service. Thanks! Do you know if this latest version will appear on the DM42's next release or not?

The DM42 doesn't have Copy and Paste, so this change doesn't impact it. They should merge my changes up to and including 2.0.11, but everything since then, so far, has been either Copy & Paste fixes or platform-specific stuff.

We have, however, merged 2.0.13 into the DM42 source tree. It won't be in the next firmware version but (probably) in the one after that.

Even though the changes don't affect the DM42 platform, we keep it up to date in order to avoid surprises when applying the DM42 patches as much as possible. Going from, say, 2.0.11 straight to 2.0.14 when it is released carries with it more risk of nasty surprises than if the incremental updates are applied in sequence.

Thomas Okken · (This post was last modified: 02-09-2018 01:18 AM by Thomas Okken.)

(02-08-2018 09:11 PM)grsbanks Wrote:
(02-07-2018 03:15 PM)Thomas Okken Wrote: The DM42 doesn't have Copy and Paste, so this change doesn't impact it. They should merge my changes up to and including 2.0.11, but everything since then, so far, has been either Copy & Paste fixes or platform-specific stuff.

We have, however, merged 2.0.13 into the DM42 source tree. It won't be in the next firmware version but (probably) in the one after that.

Even though the changes don't affect the DM42 platform, we keep it up to date in order to avoid surprises when applying the DM42 patches as much as possible. Going from, say, 2.0.11 straight to 2.0.14 when it is released carries with it more risk of nasty surprises than if the incremental updates are applied in sequence.

I agree. That's exactly what I would recommend.

My remark about merging <= 2.0.11 was meant in the sense "if you're in sync with 2.0.11 and are getting ready to release, don't delay the release in order to merge > 2.0.11, because it won't make a difference to DM42 users."

Thomas Okken · 02-09-2018, 02:52 PM

(02-06-2018 03:46 PM)Thomas Okken Wrote: I see tabs turning into spaces with the iOS Mail app, and also with Thunderbird in MacOS. Even the copies in the Sent folder have spaces instead of tabs.

Copying and pasting matrices between Free42 and Notes on iOS works fine. The system does not appear to be at fault, but the email clients.

It just occurred to me that if it's the email clients that are turning tabs into spaces, you might still be able to email matrices if you could just avoid using email clients, i.e. use the gmail.com web site in a browser. It turns out that works; I just successfully emailed a matrix to myself on my iPhone, using gmail.com in Safari. The tabs survived the trip.