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WP 34S Manual Calculation Guide (pdf!) - walter b - 04-08-2015 09:16 AM
@All (incl. primary school children): Let me try something:
During my 'vacation', I compiled a little guide (titled as above) containing almost 40 examples, mostly pretty down-to-earth, starting with HP's famous bacteriologist, passing through Fukushima, and ending in a universe far, far away. It's 61 pages, 3,350kB in pdf, nothing naughty* AFAICS. It will be available for free if and when I find a nice, warm, and dry place to put it (I never succeeded in uploading anything to sourceforge code area again after they changed their user interface a few years ago, maybe I shall try once more from the beginning but I doubt my patience).
What do you think?
d:-?
* You don't know what's "naughty"? That's easy: This is - that isn't. Obvious, isn't it? But don't blame me if you don't get the logic - I don't understand it either. Maybe your teacher can explain ((s)he may call this Kafkaesque though).
RE: WP 34S Manual Calculation Guide (pdf!) - BarryMead - 04-08-2015 09:35 AM
Thanks, Walter. This would be interesting to many people on the forum. We look forward to it being posted somewhere.
RE: WP 34S Manual Calculation Guide (pdf!) - rncgray - 04-08-2015 09:55 AM
Yes please, Walter.
RE: WP 34S Manual Calculation Guide (pdf!) - Gerald H - 04-08-2015 10:21 AM
(04-08-2015 09:16 AM)walter b Wrote: @All (incl. primary school children): Let me try something:
During my 'vacation', I compiled a little guide (titled as above) containing almost 40 examples, mostly pretty down-to-earth, starting with HP's famous bacteriologist, passing through Fukushima, and ending in a universe far, far away. It's 61 pages, 3,350kB in pdf, nothing naughty* AFAICS. It will be available for free if and when I find a nice, warm, and dry place to put it (I never succeeded in uploading anything to sourceforge code area again after they changed their user interface a few years ago, maybe I shall try once more from the beginning but I doubt my patience).
What do you think?
d:-?
* You don't know what's "naughty"? That's easy: This is - that isn't. Obvious, isn't it? But don't blame me if you don't get the logic - I don't understand it either. Maybe your teacher can explain ((s)he may call this Kafkaesque though).
In English "this" approximates & "that" distances, "this" is the one I like & "that" one I wouldn't touch with a barge pole. Deixis is difficult here in Austria, in Germany it's better but in English the usage is exquisite.
RE: WP 34S Manual Calculation Guide (pdf!) - walter b - 04-08-2015 11:33 AM
(04-08-2015 10:21 AM)Gerald H Wrote: In English "this" approximates & "that" distances, ...
What is it what you want to tell me, please?
d:-?
RE: WP 34S Manual Calculation Guide (pdf!) - Gerald H - 04-08-2015 11:36 AM
(04-08-2015 11:33 AM)walter b Wrote:(04-08-2015 10:21 AM)Gerald H Wrote: In English "this" approximates & "that" distances, ...
What is it what you want to tell me, please?
d:-?
"This" is the one near to you, the one you like - "that" is the one far away, the one you don't like.
RE: WP 34S Manual Calculation Guide (pdf!) - walter b - 04-08-2015 11:46 AM
(04-08-2015 11:36 AM)Gerald H Wrote: "This" is the one near to you, the one you like - "that" is the one far away, the one you don't like.
Thanks - I wasn't able to decode what you wrote originally. Nevertheless every language needs a neutral expression for this thing here and that thing there ("dies und das") - I'll wait for a native speaker explaining the subtleties.
d:-?
RE: WP 34S Manual Calculation Guide (pdf!) - Gerald H - 04-08-2015 11:58 AM
(04-08-2015 11:46 AM)walter b Wrote:(04-08-2015 11:36 AM)Gerald H Wrote: "This" is the one near to you, the one you like - "that" is the one far away, the one you don't like.
Thanks - I wasn't able to decode what you wrote originally. Nevertheless every language needs a neutral expression for this thing here and that thing there ("dies und das") - I'll wait for a native speaker explaining the subtleties.
d:-?
Yes, as my first language is Chiricahua Apache I do have some problems approximating English.
RE: WP 34S Manual Calculation Guide (pdf!) - walter b - 04-08-2015 12:09 PM
(04-08-2015 11:58 AM)Gerald H Wrote: Yes, as my first language is Chiricahua Apache I do have some problems approximating English.
Ah, that explains it! Thanks for enlightenment. I didn't know the last people of that tribe were expelled to live in Austria in diaspora.
d;-)
RE: WP 34S Manual Calculation Guide (pdf!) - rprosperi - 04-08-2015 12:54 PM
(04-08-2015 09:16 AM)walter b Wrote: During my 'vacation', I compiled a little guide ... It will be available for free if and when I find a nice, warm, and dry place to put it
I can host it in a Onedrive public folder with a link here in the Forum to download from if that helps. No limits on downloads, etc.
If this is useful, just email me the file and I'll post it. Once listed, you can edit your original post to include the link.
RE: WP 34S Manual Calculation Guide (pdf!) - walter b - 04-09-2015 07:09 AM
Bob, thanks for your offer. Please mail me your email address and I'll try - although the interest shown here isn't really breathtaking so far. Will there be something like a download statistic available? That would allow determining the ratio of appearance and reality ("Schein und Sein"). I'm always interested in facts and numbers ...
d:-)
RE: WP 34S Manual Calculation Guide (pdf!) - Didier Lachieze - 04-09-2015 07:15 AM
(04-09-2015 07:09 AM)walter b Wrote: although the interest shown here isn't really breathtaking so far.Hi Walter, I’m interested for sure but was just silently waiting for the document to be available, as most people here I’m guessing.
RE: WP 34S Manual Calculation Guide (pdf!) - Thomas_Sch - 04-09-2015 07:17 AM
(04-08-2015 09:16 AM)walter b Wrote: @All (incl. primary school children): Let me try something:Hello Walter,
During my 'vacation', I compiled a little guide (titled as above) containing almost 40 examples, mostly pretty down-to-earth, starting with HP's famous bacteriologist, passing through Fukushima, and ending in a universe far, far away. It's 61 pages, 3,350kB in pdf, nothing naughty* AFAICS. It will be available for free if and when I find a nice, warm, and dry place to put it (I never succeeded in uploading anything to sourceforge code area again after they changed their user interface a few years ago, maybe I shall try once more from the beginning but I doubt my patience).
What do you think?
d:-?
I would very much welcome your offer!!
Many thanks in advance,
Thomas
RE: WP 34S Manual Calculation Guide (pdf!) - rkf - 04-09-2015 10:14 AM
(04-09-2015 07:17 AM)Thomas_Sch Wrote: ...
Hello Walter,
I would very much welcome your offer!!
Many thanks in advance,
Thomas
Me too.
RE: WP 34S Manual Calculation Guide (pdf!) - Sylvain Cote - 04-09-2015 10:59 AM
(04-09-2015 07:15 AM)Didier Lachieze Wrote:Yep! same here.(04-09-2015 07:09 AM)walter b Wrote: although the interest shown here isn't really breathtaking so far.Hi Walter, I’m interested for sure but was just silently waiting for the document to be available, as most people here I’m guessing.
RE: WP 34S Manual Calculation Guide (pdf!) - renif - 04-09-2015 03:09 PM
That's really good news, Walter!
By the way, also good to hear from you again...
T.
RE: WP 34S Manual Calculation Guide (pdf!) - John Galt - 04-09-2015 03:39 PM
(04-08-2015 11:46 AM)walter b Wrote: Nevertheless every language needs a neutral expression for this thing here and that thing there ("dies und das") - I'll wait for a native speaker explaining the subtleties.
As a native English speaker (admittedly, the American bastardization of it) a definition using fewer words than Gerald H's is unlikely to remain correct. Such a sparse explanation implies experience writing efficient code desirable for calculators like the WP 34S.
Had to keep this on topic you know.
Quote:In English "this" approximates & "that" distances
Brilliant.
Also, as a native (American) English speaker it might interest you to know that certain regional dialects often implement that expression with the phrases "this here" and "that there" respectively. Those expressions can be approximated phonetically by "dis here" and "dat dare". Presumably, that helps prevent misunderstanding among those less familiar with the subtleties regarding "this" and "that".
Those same regional dialects often make up for one of English's many shortcomings, one of which is the lack of any distinction between the pronoun, singular "you" and its plural. For example, the German language offers "du" (or "Sie") to address the second person singular pronoun and "ihr" to indicate its plural. English's respective equivalents are "you" (or "you"), and, unhelpfully, "you". When addressing one's spouse, one's boss, or the entire world's population, the same word "you" is not only equally applicable, it's the only word we have. There are others commonly known to American TV viewers, but they are not considered polite.
Regional dialects attempt to compensate for that omission with the phrase "you all"; phonetically, "yawl". Ironically this may convey an impression of ignorance. In the spirit of open-mindedness I prefer to think they are just trying to be accurate.
As far as I know English is unique among languages for that omission. Such shortcomings and the misunderstandings that result from deficiencies in communication could conceivably explain the popularity of various wars and police actions that also characterize primarily English-speaking nations. But I digress.
RE: WP 34S Manual Calculation Guide (pdf!) - jebem - 04-09-2015 04:30 PM
(04-08-2015 09:16 AM)walter b Wrote: (...) I compiled a little guide (titled as above) containing almost 40 examples, mostly pretty down-to-earth (...)
Thank you for your effort.
I would be interested in a copy, please!
RE: WP 34S Manual Calculation Guide (pdf!) - walter b - 04-09-2015 05:32 PM
(04-08-2015 11:36 AM)Gerald H Wrote: "This" is the one near to you, the one you like - "that" is the one far away, the one you don't like.
Oooh, and how do I express then that I don't like this (?) near to me though like that (?) far away instead? (I once thought that's (?) an easy language. Terrible mistake apparently!)
d:-?
RE: WP 34S Manual Calculation Guide (pdf!) - walter b - 04-09-2015 05:51 PM
(04-09-2015 03:09 PM)renif Wrote: Insulting users is absolutely intolerable, especially for moderators. But that's probably a question of education or culture.
Alas, seems to be so.
Presumably beautiful minds but concealed. Maybe fear to unveal the beauty.Well, let's return to calculators - aren't they built on plain logic at least? Anyway, the pdf file is on its way to its new home. As soon as I know its new address I'll publish it here.
d:-?