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RE: WP34s Birthday Gift @ ISU - MarkHaysHarris777 - 03-23-2015 03:40 AM
Greetings, both my college kids were home for spring break this past week; great time! So, I finally got the crystal and caps installed on my son's 34s (he's been limping along since I didn't have the crystal yet at his birthday party in January).
Both of these kids received a gift of Walter's book to carry back with them; that will answer some questions, for sure!
I learned a new trick for soldering the (tiny) surface mounted caps into place. I still used flux on the surfaces but DID NOT tin the board. I used a 'third hand' (clip on a stand) holding a toothpick down against the cap to hold it in place (on a smooth surface). This works 'way' better. That leaves both hands free to manipulate thin solder and iron. His looked the best of any I have done so far; its definitely one of those things that by the time you know what you're doing, you don't need to do it any longer!
Cheers,
marcus
RE: WP34s Birthday Gift @ ISU - BarryMead - 03-23-2015 05:33 PM
(03-23-2015 03:40 AM)MarkHaysHarris777 Wrote: I used a 'third hand' (clip on a stand) holding a toothpick down against the cap to hold it in place (on a smooth surface). This works 'way' better. That leaves both hands free to manipulate thin solder and iron.Mark: A while back, I bought a 10X Stereographic Microscope with a large working height for soldering SMT parts. It really helps to get a good look at what you are doing, and the stereographic scope gives you depth perception which is needed to coordinate the positioning of the solder and iron in 3 dimensions. I also use various methods of holding down the tiny parts to have both hands free for soldering. Thanks for sharing what works.
RE: WP34s Birthday Gift @ ISU - rprosperi - 03-23-2015 06:25 PM
(03-23-2015 05:33 PM)BarryMead Wrote:(03-23-2015 03:40 AM)MarkHaysHarris777 Wrote: I used a 'third hand' (clip on a stand) holding a toothpick down against the cap to hold it in place (on a smooth surface). This works 'way' better. That leaves both hands free to manipulate thin solder and iron.Mark: A while back, I bought a 10X Stereographic Microscope with a large working height for soldering SMT parts. It really helps to get a good look at what you are doing, and the stereographic scope gives you depth perception which is needed to coordinate the positioning of the solder and iron in 3 dimensions. I also use various methods of holding down the tiny parts to have both hands free for soldering. Thanks for sharing what works.
Barry - as there seems to be interest in this type of 'scope, could you post a photo or link, etc. so other folks can check it out. I know DaveF is working on some precision soldering with his FRAM upgrade and was looking for just such a 'scope for this purpose. Also, there is a long history of folks with poor eyesight trying to do what Eric pulls off easily in about 14 seconds in his 'how to build a 34S' video.
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RE: WP34s Birthday Gift @ ISU - BarryMead - 03-23-2015 09:55 PM
(03-23-2015 06:25 PM)rprosperi Wrote: Barry - as there seems to be interest in this type of 'scope, could you post a photo or link, etc. so other folks can check it out. I know DaveF is working on some precision soldering with his FRAM upgrade and was looking for just such a 'scope for this purpose. Also, there is a long history of folks with poor eyesight trying to do what Eric pulls off easily in about 14 seconds in his 'how to build a 34S' video.The one I bought is not for sale anymore, but this is the best price/performance alternative that I was able to find.
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RE: WP34s Birthday Gift @ ISU - matthiaspaul - 03-24-2015 12:30 AM
(03-23-2015 05:33 PM)BarryMead Wrote: A while back, I bought a 10X Stereographic Microscope with a large working height for soldering SMT parts. It really helps to get a good look at what you are doing, and the stereographic scope gives you depth perception which is needed to coordinate the positioning of the solder and iron in 3 dimensions.I second this. Compared to a simple magnifier lamp or a USB microscope, it is a great relief to work with them, however, they are also somewhat more expensive (although still reasonable priced compared to really professional equipment from Zeiss and Leica in the range of ten-thousands of dollars). I use a trinocular stereo zoom microscope with large working height and solid double-arm stand similar (but not identical) to this one:
http://www.amazon.com/AmScope-SM-4TZ-144A-Professional-Trinocular-Magnification/dp/B004UBNIMC/ref=lp_393248011_1_7/177-8394551-1222169?s=photo&ie=UTF8&qid=1427151124&sr=1-7
It was custom-built and is from a different (local) manufacturer, but is based on the same (or similarly looking) parts, however, there are various subtle differences.
A trinocular version is only needed when you also want to mount a camera (via T2 adapter). Somewhat cheaper, these scopes are also available as binoculars. However, it is important that you look for a stereo microscope, as there are also binocular and trinocular microscopes, which are not stereo microscopes. They do not deliver a three-dimensional view and are thus not well suited for this purpose.
Although it is a bit clumsy to work with I chosed the massive double-arm stand, so that it can be used also with larger items to be inspected. For convenient viewing it is important that the head can be tilted and rotated as well.
The head should have adjustable ocular mounts to adjust the interpupillary distance. If you use glasses, make sure that the relative height of the two viewing oculars is adjustable for proper diopter correction, so that you can use the microscope without glasses as well. The protective rubber eye-pieces should be foldable or removable. If the eye-pieces are contoured, either they or the oculars should be freely rotatable in their mounts. This may also be useful for special applications with polarization filters.
10x oculars provide enough magnification for this purpose, the field-of-view of 20x oculars is too narrow for this application. Since different versions are available, make sure to get extra wide-field oculars, ideally with a high eyepoint, however, if you have to make a choice, the width of the field of view is more important.
There are also different versions of the base 0.7-4.5x zoom lens; some will slightly change the focal plane when zooming, that is, you will have to re-adjust focus after changing the magnification. Others are parfocal and therefore do not require refocusing. While this is more convenient, there's also a drawback. Parfocal lenses are more complex to design and build and if they should deliver the same optical performance they are typically considerably more expensive. Those I have seen offered for more or less the same price had a slightly smaller field-of-view. This may be recognized as uneven illumination or vignetting.
For soldering, you almost certainly need a 0.5x Barlow lens in order to increase the working height to 10-15 cm. This combination gives an effective magnification range of ca. 4-22x, which is perfect for soldering SMD parts.
A multitude of ring lights are available for these microscopes, from old fluorescent lamp ones to different kinds of ring lights with white LEDs. There are significant differences in the quality of white LEDs. If proper color reproduction is important, get a ring light with continuous-spectrum daylight white LEDs, however, they are much more expensive than normal white LEDs, unfortunately. While not absolutely necessary, white LED ring lights with adjustable illumination are convenient. On some you can even adjust multiple zones to modulate shadows. Not necessary for soldering, but nice to have for documentation. However, for serious photo-documentation I recommend a swan head spot light adapter for a photographic TTL flash like the Novoflex MAKL-150.
Hope it helps,
Matthias
RE: WP34s Birthday Gift @ ISU - CR Haeger - 03-24-2015 01:31 PM
Kudos to MoHPC and the WP34/31s teams.
It says a lot about your passion for technology when there is a thread describing:
custom stereo microscopes --> toothpicks to aid in hold down of SM capacitors --> adding components to an HP30B circuit board --> re-flashing WP34S ROM onto it --> giving it to a family member in college...
I was lazy and just ordered a discounted unit for my school group to try out. We will still be digging through PDFs to unleash its potential. ** Edit - just ordered the v3.3 guide book...