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arcsinc( 1-y ), for small y - Albert Chan - 07-05-2018 11:43 PM
Come across a fun civil engineering problem from HP archive [1]
"Five minute challenge" essentially evaluate arcsinc( 1-y )
sin(x) / x = ( 1-y ) -- y = 1/5281 = rail expansion effect
x = arcsinc( 1-y ) -- then, rail warp e = 2640 tan(x/2)
From Gerson W. Barbosa (msg #21), sinc(x) ~ cos(x / sqrt(3))
x = arcsinc( 1-y ) ~ sqrt(3) arccos( 1-y )
= 0.03370733324 -- using my Casio fx-115ms
Estimate is good, exact x = 0.033707758809879429 ...
I wanted a simpler, and more accurate arcsinc( 1-y )
arccos( 1-y ) taylor series = sqrt(2y) (1 + y/12 + ...) [2]
x = arcsinc( 1-y ) ~ sqrt(6y) = 0.03370680134
For better accuracy, apply Newton's method, x0 = sqrt(6y):
f(x) = sinc(x) - (1-y)
= y - x^2/6 + x^4/120 - x^6/5040 + ...
f'(x) = -x/3 + x^3/30 - (3/70) x^5 + ...
f(x0) = y - y + 0.3 y^2 - (3/70) y^3 + ... ~ 0.3 y^2
f'(x0) = x0 (-1/3 + y/5 - (54/35) y^2 + ...) ~ -x0 / 3
x = x0 - f(x0) / f'(x0)
~ x0 + (0.9 y^2 / x0) * (x0/x0)
= x0 (1 + 0.9 y^2 / (6y))
= sqrt(6y) (1 + 0.15 y)
x = arcsinc( 1-y ) ~ sqrt(6y) (1 + 0.15 y) = 0.03370775874
with x this good, f(x) = 0.0 on my Casio :-)
[1] http://www.hpmuseum.org/cgi-sys/cgiwrap/hpmuseum/archv020.cgi?read=177273
[2] https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/255886/taylor-expansion-of-arccos1-x-around-x-0-to-two-terms
RE: arcsinc( 1-y ), for small y - Albert Chan - 07-06-2018 03:22 PM
This new formula is slightly more accurate, and just as simple:
For small y: arcsinc( 1-y ) ~ √(6y) / (1 - 0.15 y)
arcsinc(1 - 1/5281) ~ √(6/5281) / (1 - 0.15/5281) = 0.033707 75877
Example:
x = 0.1 radian
y = 1 - sin(x) / x = 0.001665833532
Old formula, x ~ √(6y) * (1 + 0.15 y) = 0.099999 98408
New formula, x ~ √(6y) / (1 - 0.15 y) = 0.099999 99033
Update: newer formula from post #11
x ~\(\large \sqrt{6y ÷ \sqrt{1 + 0.6 y}} \) = 0.099999 99997 // almost round-trip!
RE: arcsinc( 1-y ), for small y - Thomas Klemm - 07-06-2018 09:07 PM
(07-05-2018 11:43 PM)Albert Chan Wrote: Come across a fun civil engineering problem from HP archive [1]
Thank you for reminding me of this thread.
Good memories.
Quote:"Five minute challenge" essentially evaluate arcsinc( 1-y )
And this was supposed to be a 5-minute challenge...
Well, probably not.
Cheers
Thomas
RE: arcsinc( 1-y ), for small y - Albert Chan - 07-06-2018 11:17 PM
To show new formula is *really* more accurate: (below from Mathematica)
arcsinc( 1-y ) / sqrt(6y)
= 1 + 3/20 y + 321/5600 y^2 + 3197/112000 y^3 + 445617/27596800 y^4 + ...
~ 1 + 0.15 y + 0.0573214 y^2 + 0.0285446 y^3 + 0.0161474 y^4 + ...
~ 1 + 0.15 y
sqrt(6y) / arcsinc( 1-y )
= 1 - 3/20 y - 39/1120 y^2 - 1649/112000 y^3 - 5285631/689920000 y^4 - ...
~ 1 - 0.15 y - 0.0348214 y^2 - 0.0147232 y^3 - 0.00766122 y^4 - ...
~ 1 - 0.15 y
Looking at the size of dropped terms, new formula is more accurate:
arcsinc( 1-y ) ~ sqrt(6y) / (1 - k y), where k = 0.15
For more accurate arcsinc, correct for k using above divide trick.
k = 0.15 / (1 - 13/56 y / (1 - 0.19068 y / (1 - 0.21627 y)))
RE: arcsinc( 1-y ), for small y - Albert Chan - 07-07-2018 06:11 AM
I re-read the Five Minute challenge posts (highly recommended)
I found a simple formula that is slightly better than e = sqrt(6 m d) / 4
Let z = gain in length of of hypotenuse
Using post #30 3/4 rule, z = d/2 * 3/4 = 3/8 d
e^2 = (m/2 + z)^2 - (m/2)^2 = m z + z^2
e = sqrt((m + z) z)
With m=5280, d=1: e = sqrt((5280 + 3/8)(3/8)) = 44.49877105 ~ 44.50 ft
3/4 rule is the upper bound for tiny angle, so z (thus e) is over-estimated.
Let's try with bigger sector angle, say, d = 100 ft:
Old formula, e = sqrt(6 * 5280 * 100) / 4 = 444.9719092 ~ 444.97 ft
New formula, e = sqrt((5280 + 300/8)(300/8)) = 446.5492694 ~ 446.55 ft
We have a nice bound, correct e is between 444.97 ft to 446.55 ft
For correct value of e, with big angle, do arcsinc with corrected k:
y = 1 - 5280/5380 = 100/5380 = 0.01858736
k = 0.15 / (1 - 13/56 y / (1 - 0.19068 y / (1 - 0.21627 y))) = 0.1506523749
x = sqrt(6y) / (1 - k y) = 0.3348901066 (about 19 degree)
e = (m/2) tan( x/2 ) = 446.2332298 ~ 446.23 ft (correct)
RE: arcsinc( 1-y ), for small y - Albert Chan - 07-07-2018 06:04 PM
Did plots of how good e = sqrt((m + z)z), vs e = sqrt(6 m d) / 4
The new formula is 4 times more accurate !
Because the ratio is so consistent around 4, this is a fast way to estimate e:
Previous example, d = 100 ft:
e ~ (446.5492654 * 4 + 444.9719092) / 5 = 446.2337942 ft
With 6.5X warp or less (d < 5.5 *miles*), accuracy can be improved:
y = 100/5380
w = 4 - 27/56 y = 3.991038237
e ~ (446.5492654 w + 444.9719092) / (w+1) = 446.2332309 ft
This is not far from exact e of 446.233229831394 ...
We could even reverse the process, use good e to estimate arcsinc !
To simplify, let m = 1, so e = 1/2 tan( x/2 )
Example: calculate arcsinc(0.99):
sinc(x) = 0.99 = 1/(1+ d)
d = 1/99
z = 3/8 d = 1/264
e(min) = √(z) = 0.06154574549
e(max) = √(z + z²) = 0.06166219923
w ~ 4 - 27/56 y = 3.995178571
e ~ (w e(max) + e(min)) / (w + 1) = 0.061638886
x ~ 2 arctan( 2 e ) = 0.2453178089
For comparison, asinc(0.99) = 0.2453178088 54025 ...
RE: arcsinc( 1-y ), for small y - Albert Chan - 07-08-2018 03:28 AM
Redoing the Five minutes challenge with weighted e:
Note: sqrt(6 m d) / 4 = sqrt(6 m (8/3 z) / 16) = sqrt(m z)
m = 5280
z = 3/8 d = 3/8
e(min) = sqrt(m z) = 44.49719092 ~ 44.50
e(max) = sqrt((m + z) z) = 44.49877105 ~ 44.50
The nice error bound *guaranteed* 4 digits accuracy
e ~ (4 e(max) + e(min)) / 5 = 44.49845502
4 weighted e reach 10 digits accuracy !
w weighted e do even better, see next post ...
RE: arcsinc( 1-y ), for small y - Albert Chan - 07-09-2018 01:12 AM
To show weighted e method work, I use Mathematica:
To simplify, assumed m = 1, so e = 1/2 tan(x/2)
sinc[x_] := Sin[x] / x;
t = Series[1 - sinc[Sqrt[x]], {x, 0, 5}];
t = InverseSeries[t] /. x -> y;
exact5 = 1/2 Tan[Sqrt[t] / 2];
w = 4 - 27/56 y;
weighted = (w * Sqrt[z + z z] + Sqrt[z]) / (w+1);
weighted = weighted /. z -> 3/8d /. d -> y/(1-y);
ratio = Series[exact5 / weighted, {y, 0, 5}] // Simplify // Normal
ratio // N
>> 1 - 9459/25088000 y^3 + 2651751/309084160000 y^4
>> 1. - 3.77033e-4 y^3 + 8.57938e-6 y^4
weighted e estimate is simple, and very good. :-)
To check if above is valid, use ratio to improve Five Minute Challenge:
First, calculate exact e, with 30 significant digits:
FindRoot[sinc[x] == 5280/5281, {x, 0.1}, WorkingPrecision -> 50]
>> {x -> 0.033707758809879429348218498305111 ... }
e = N[5280/2 Tan[x / 2] /. %, 30] (* Reference: all good digits *)
>> 44.4984550191007992545541600167
(* Normally no need for scaling, but above assumed m=1 *)
e = N[5280 weighted /. y-> 1/5281, 30] (* 14 digits accurate *)
>> 44.4984550191009131676665673849
e = N[5280 weighted ratio /. y-> 1/5281, 30] (* 22 digits accurate *)
>> 44.4984550191007992545475544533
RE: arcsinc( 1-y ), for small y - Albert Chan - 07-12-2018 05:26 PM
On the railroad warp problem, same formulas still work for pi/2 < x < pi:
In other words, circle center and warp ok on the *same* side:
Prove sin(x) / x = m / (m + d):
m/2 = R sin(pi - x) -- chord length
(m + d) / 2 = R x -- arc length
sin(pi - x)/x = sin(x)/x = m / (m + d) -- QED
Prove e = (m/2) tan( x/2 ):
(m/2) / e = tan((pi - x) / 2) -- triangle: chord + e (contained circle center)
e = (m/2) / tan(pi/2 - x/2) = (m/2) tan( x/2 ) -- QED
My weighted e is not designed for big angle, but still work ok
For x < pi/2 (thus, warp < pi/2), weighted e has max error of 0.001%
For HUGE warp, weighted e formula run into problem:
Example: let m=1, 6.5X warp (d=5.5), calculate e:
sin(x) / x = 1 / (1+d) = 0.1538461538
x = 2.71131291 -- my Casio solver, x ~ 155 degrees
R = (1+d) / (2x) = 1.198681269
e = 1/2 tan(x/2) = 2.288101656 -- almost diameter of circle !
Assumed we don't know x, use 4 weighted e method:
z = 3/8 d = 2.0625
e(min) = sqrt(z) = 1.436140662
e(max) = sqrt(z + z z) = 2.513246158
e ~ (4 e(max) + e(min)) / 5 = 2.297825059 -- error = +0.425%
With warp that high, "improved" weight does not help:
y = 1 - 0.1538461538 = 0.8461538462
w = 4 - 27/56 y = 3.5920322967
e ~ (w e(max) + e(min)) / (w+1) = 2.27868654 -- error = -0.411%
For HUGE warp, weighted e method is not suited, below fit is better:
For pi/2 < x < pi, fitted e (below) has max error of 0.013%
e (warp 2.4X or more)
~ (((-0.690948 y + 1.95561) y - 2.47546) y + 1.52907) d
Redo above case (6.5X warp):
e ~ 0.4160261229 * 5.5 = 2.288143676 -- error = +0.002%
RE: arcsinc( 1-y ), for small y - Albert Chan - 08-20-2018 02:20 PM
Forman Acton's book Numerical Method that work (page 68) have a neat solution to the railroad problem:
sinc(x) = 5280/5281 = 1/(1+e), where e=1/5280
--> 1 - x^2/3! + x^4/5! - x^6/7! + ... = 1 - e/(1+e)
Subtract 1 from both side, factor out x^2, we get:
x^2 = 6e / (1+e) / (1 - x^2/20 + ...)
Last denominator is about 1, we get x^2 ~ 6e / (1 + e) = 6/5281
We get x = sqrt(6/5281) = 0.0337068013
Iterate once more:
x^2 = 6e / (1 + e) / (1 - (6e / (1+e)) / 20) = 6e / (1 + 0.7e) = 6/5280.7
We get x = sqrt(6/5280.7) = 0.0337077588
With this x, warp = (5280/2) tan(x/2) = 44.498455 ft (matched rounded exact value)
The book use this example to illustrate two points:
1. Remove large masking quantities, (in this case, the 1.0 term)
2. Do not solve quadratic equation if the quadratic term carry little weight.
Amazing book ...
RE: arcsinc( 1-y ), for small y - Albert Chan - 08-20-2018 03:23 PM
Rearange Acton fromula in terms of arcsinc(k = 1-y):
x = arcsinc(k) ~ sqrt(6y / (1 - 0.3 y))
this is much better than my estimate of sqrt(6y) / (1 - 0.15y)
For small y, errors cut down by almost 33% !
To push the idea a bit further, below cut down error (small y) by 97% !
x = arcsinc(k) ~ sqrt(6y / sqrt(1 - 0.6 y))
For y > 0.5, asymptotic formula is better: x ~ Pi / (1 + k + 1.244 k^3)
For 0<y<1, above combined setup kept relative error to 0.1% or less.
For more accuracy, use either form of Newton's method:
f = sin(x) - kx → x = x - (sin(x) - k*x) / (cos(x) - k)
f = sin(x)/x - k → x = x + x * (z - k) / (z - cos(x)), where z = sin(x)/x
Update: More accurate Asinc (small y), but more complicated formula:
http://www.hpmuseum.org/forum/thread-2914.html?highlight=Asinc
Update2: instead of asymptotic formula, correction also work:
For y >= 0.4, asinc(1-y) ~ sqrt(6y / sqrt(1 - 0.6 y)) * (1.001 + y^6/53)
RE: arcsinc( 1-y ), for small y - Albert Chan - 08-25-2018 03:51 PM
The book Numerical Method that work showed Acton's favorite way of doing interpolation (no difference table)
A variation of Aitken scheme of intepolation (p 94), using post #8 as an example
Solve x, such that sinc(x) = k = 1/6.5 ~ 0.153846154
Using my asympotic formula, x ~ Pi/(1 + k + 1.244 k^3) ~ 2.712066499
sinc(2.712) = 0.1535768820, error ~ -0.00027, thus x too high (sinc(x) is decreasing for x = [0, 4.4934])
sinc(2.711) = 0.1539688052, error ~ +0.00013, thus x too low
sinc(2.7115) = 0.1537728267, error ~ -0.00007, used for 3 point quadratic fit.
Acton variation is to sort the values, interpolated estimate up on top.
This ensures top numbers likely the best estimate, with other entries very "tight"
Mistakes during manual calculations are easier to spot.
All entries below are linear interpolation (against top entry), for k = 1/6.5
PHP Code:
sinc(x) x
0.1537728267 2.71 15
0.1539688052 2.71 10 1312 920
0.1535768820 2.71 20 1312 888 910 --> x = 2.711312910
Quadratic fit might not be needed, if interpolated estimate used as 3rd point
PHP Code:
sinc(x) x
0.1539688052 2.711
0.1535768820 2.712 2.711312947
0.1538461395 2.711312947 2.711312910 --> x = 2.711312910
For Casio FX-115MS, Interpolation (A,B), (C,D) Formula:
With CALC: 0A + B + (C-A)-1(D-B)(X-A)
Or, SOLVE: (X-A)(B-0C-D) + (Y-B)(C-A)
update: instead of manually getting the points to fit, we can use iterations:
sinc(pi/2) = 1/(pi/2) = 2/pi ≈ 0.6366197724
If k ≥ 2/pi: x = sin(x)/k
If k < 2/pi: x = pi - asin(kx)
For above example, k < 2/pi, we get 2.712 → 2.7111966 → 2.711332599 ...
Using Aitken Δ² method, above 3 numbers extrapolated to 2.711312910
RE: arcsinc( 1-y ), for small y - Albert Chan - 10-01-2019 06:03 PM
Inspired by Happy Coincidence for the approximate solution of x tan(x) = k.
I tried the same trick for sin(x)/x = k, using Mathematica.
> <<Calculus`Pade`
> sinc[x_] := Sin[x] / x
> Pade[sinc[x], {x,0,4,4}] // Simplify
⇒ (166320 - 22260 x^2 + 551 x^4) / (166320 + 5460 x^2 + 75 x^4)
> Solve[166320 - 22260 x^2 + 551 x^4 == 0, x] // N
⇒ {{x → -3.14572}, {x → 3.14572}, {x → -5.52302}, {x → 5.52302}}
Pade approximant numerator had 2 roots very close to ±Pi, so solve this instead:
\(\Large { x^2-\pi^2 \over sinc(x) } = { x^2-\pi^2 \over k}\)
We don't want expression too complicated, and limit it to solving Quadratics:
> lhs = Pade[(x^2-Pi^2) / sinc[x], {x,0,4,2}];
> soln = Solve[ Numerator[lhs] * k - Denominator[lhs] * (x^2-Pi^2) == 0, x]
Although it look like a quartic, it is really a quadratic, with variables x^2.
Instead of solving asinc(k) for x, I choose solving asinc(1-y) for x.
This is a rule I learned from Acton's book, "Numerical Methods that works", p71
Quote:Store the small quantites; Compute the larger ones; Never subtract nearly equal quantities.
\(\large asinc(1-y) ≈ \Large \sqrt{\frac{12y}{1-0.20409y \;+ \sqrt{1 - 0.792y - 0.0318y^2}}} \)
The estimate formula is good for full y range.
y = 1.00 → worst over-estimated: abs error = 0.00023, rel error = 0.0075%
y = 0.85 → worst under-estimated: abs error = 0.00021, rel error = 0.0075%
Previous post example is close to worst case, y = 1-1/6.5 ≈ 0.846154
Using above formula, we get asinc(1/6.5) ≈ 2.71111, under-estimated 0.00020
RE: arcsinc( 1-y ), for small y - Albert Chan - 06-18-2020 11:54 PM
Re-phrase previous post asinc(1-y) in terms of k, with shorter constants:
\(\large asinc(k) ≈ \Large \sqrt{{12(1-k) \over 1-0.2041(1-k)\;+ \sqrt{(27.11-k)(0.0065+0.0318k)}}} \)
Free-42 code, Newton's method using above guess:
Code:
00 { 85-Byte Prgm }
01▸LBL "ASINC"
02 27.11
03 X<>Y
04 -
05 LASTX
06 STO ST Z ; k 27.11-k k
07 0.0318
08 ×
09 65ᴇ-4
10 +
11 ×
12 SQRT
13 1
14 STO- ST Z
15 + ; 1+sqrt1 k-1 k
16 0.2041
17 RCL× ST Z
18 +
19 ÷
20 -12
21 ×
22 SQRT
23▸LBL 01 ; newton, f = sinx - kx
24 RCL× ST Z ; kx . k .
25 LASTX
26 STO ST Z ; x kx x k
27 SIN
28 -
29 RCL ST Y ; x -f x k
30 COS
31 RCL- ST T ; f' -f x k
32 ÷ ; e x k k
33 STO+ ST Y ; e x' k k
34 X↑2
35 X<>Y
36 STO+ ST Y ; x' x'+e^2 k k
37 X≠Y?
38 GTO 01
39 ENDRedo previous posts examples:
asinc(5280/5281) → 0.03370775880987942934821849830508089
asinc(0.99) → 0.2453178088540252967075843126095618
asinc(5280/5380) → 0.3348901065998630063407861032211992
asinc(1/6.5) → 2.711312910356983336479873410532187