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Two calculator exam problems - Peter Murphy - 05-27-2014 01:47 PM
I would greatly appreciate seeing solutions to the following problem:
A. Let f(x) = 1 +x(2 - x(3 - x(4 - x(1 + x)))). Find the solution to
f(f(x)) = 1/2 that is nearest to x = 0.
And, especially if they would provide further insight, solutions to this:
B. Let f(x) = sin (1/x) and define g(x) = f(f(f(f(x)))). Find the maximum value of g(x) for x in the range 102 to 103.2.
Many thanks in advance.
RE: Two calculator exam problems - Visu - 05-27-2014 02:48 PM
Tailor series ?
RE: Two calculator exam problems - CR Haeger - 05-27-2014 03:24 PM
(05-27-2014 01:47 PM)Peter Murphy Wrote: I would greatly appreciate seeing solutions to the following problem:Using HP Prime
A. Let f(x) = 1 +x(2 - x(3 - x(4 - x(1 + x)))). Find the solution to
f(f(x)) = 1/2 that is nearest to x = 0.
And, especially if they would provide further insight, solutions to this:
B. Let f(x) = sin (1/x) and define g(x) = f(f(f(f(x)))). Find the maximum value of g(x) for x in the range 102 to 103.2.
Many thanks in advance.
A. Defining f(x):=1 +x(2 - x(3 - x(4 - x(1 + x)))), then g(x):=f(f(x)) then fsolve(g(x)=1/2, x, -1..1) yields five roots between -1 to +1 with +0.21399.... closest to zero. Defining Function.F1:=g(x)-1/2 lets you view this interesting curve.
B. Similarly. define f(x):=sin(1/x) then g(x):=f(f(f(f(x))). Defining Function.F2:=g(x) lets you graphically explore g(x) in the range 102-103.2 (assumed degrees?). Although 102 appears highest, 103.2 is max at 0.9459... - there seems to be a local max of ~1.00 at ~103.25 degrees..
Best,
Carl
RE: Two calculator exam problems - Peter Murphy - 05-28-2014 02:11 PM
Carl, the Prime seems ideally suited for such problems.
Can you (or anyone) show me how to set up and solve them on a 50g (in RPN mode) or a 48G? I've puzzled over this for a good while.
The concept of the user-defined function (UDF) for the 48/50 calculators seems promising, but what I've done hasn't produced the structure that you exhibit in your Prime examples.
I now find that David Hayden solved such a problem (problem 13) back in 2009:
[url:http://www.hpmuseum.org/cgi-sys/cgiwrap/hpmuseum/archv019.cgi?read=159915]
but he's taking for granted what I cannot see at all, namely how one sets up such nested functions in the first place.
RE: Two calculator exam problems - CR Haeger - 05-28-2014 05:02 PM
Peter - Im not very expert at the HP50G so I hope others will provide you (and I) some tips on how to setup these problems.
I will say that the HP Prime has been very nice to work with when in comes to symbolic/numerical solving and function graphing analysis tasks.
RE: Two calculator exam problems - Thomas Klemm - 05-28-2014 06:30 PM
(05-28-2014 02:11 PM)Peter Murphy Wrote: but he's taking for granted what I cannot see at all, namely how one sets up such nested functions in the first place.
Code:
'f(x)=SIN(1/x)' ENTER
DEFINE
'g(x)=f(f(f(f(x))))' ENTER
DEFINEYou can have a look at how these function are defined. Just push them on the stack. For instance f(x):
Code:
\<< \-> x 'SIN(1/x)' \>>Should you prefer RPL you could use this instead:
Code:
\<< \-> x \<< INV SIN \>> \>>HTH
Thomas
RE: Two calculator exam problems - dizzy - 05-28-2014 06:54 PM
The first one is easy:
Code:
\<<
'F(X)'
'1 + X*(2 - X*(3 - X*(4 - X*(1 + X))))'
DUP UNROT = DEF
F
'1/2' -
SOLVEVX
\>>Which yields:
Quote:{X=0.213992196216 X=... }
Similarly:
Code:
\<<
'F(X)=SIN(1/X)' DEF
'SIN(1/X)' F F F
\>>You could graph this or use try to optimize it somehow.
RE: Two calculator exam problems - Peter Murphy - 05-28-2014 09:29 PM
Thanks Thomas and Dizzy for exactly what I was hoping to see.
Now to sit down and work out your solutions; I'll report back tomorrow.
Peter
RE: Two calculator exam problems - Peter Murphy - 05-29-2014 02:32 PM
Thanks again Thomas and Dizzy. Your suggestions helped me break through my mental barrier on this stuff.
I still must explore Dizzy's solution to problem A, but I rendered f(x) as the corresponding coefficient array [ -1 -1 4 -3 2 1] 'F' STO.
Then this programmed expression
<< F F * PEVAL PEVAL .5 - >> STEQ
allowed me to plot g(x) and find x = 0.21399.
Now for problem B.
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