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UK Numeracy Test - Gerald H - 07-03-2014 02:47 PM
Various levels of numeracy, exemplified by this test:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/poll/2014/jul/03/george-osborne-maths-problem
RE: UK Numeracy Test - Mark Hardman - 07-03-2014 03:30 PM
(07-03-2014 02:47 PM)Gerald H Wrote: Various levels of numeracy, exemplified by this test:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/poll/2014/jul/03/george-osborne-maths-problem
Oh lord! At this point 6% have answered the question incorrectly.
RE: UK Numeracy Test - walter b - 07-03-2014 03:58 PM
No comment beyond this:
RE: UK Numeracy Test - Mark Hardman - 07-03-2014 04:30 PM
(07-03-2014 03:58 PM)walter b Wrote: No comment beyond this:
Plato is correct. Thaumazein is the sole domain of the philosopher. Apparently, the rest just watch TV and play on the Twitter.
RE: UK Numeracy Test - Maximilian Hohmann - 07-03-2014 05:26 PM
(07-03-2014 03:58 PM)walter b Wrote: No comment beyond this...
Which Google Translate turns into this:
"Lesser gar philosopher This passion, thafmazein: th gar other authority the same philosophy."
I would say not worse than 7 * 8 = 54
RE: UK Numeracy Test - Mark Hardman - 07-03-2014 05:52 PM
(07-03-2014 05:26 PM)Maximilian Hohmann Wrote:(07-03-2014 03:58 PM)walter b Wrote: No comment beyond this...
Which Google Translate turns into this:
"Lesser gar philosopher This passion, thafmazein: th gar other authority the same philosophy."
I would say not worse than 7 * 8 = 54
This is sort of like having Google translate between Old English and modern French.
An adequate translation is:
For this is an experience which is characteristic of a philosopher, this wondering: this is where philosophy begins and nowhere else.
--Theaetetus 155d
RE: UK Numeracy Test - Massimo Gnerucci - 07-03-2014 06:15 PM
(07-03-2014 02:47 PM)Gerald H Wrote: Various levels of numeracy, exemplified by this test:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/poll/2014/jul/03/george-osborne-maths-problem
Thanks God somebody gave us the Net!
There's a page where you can find the answer...
RE: UK Numeracy Test - walter b - 07-03-2014 06:40 PM
(07-03-2014 05:26 PM)Maximilian Hohmann Wrote: Which Google Translate turns into this:
"Lesser gar philosopher This passion, thafmazein: th gar other authority the same philosophy."
I would say not worse than 7 * 8 = 54
Tss, tss, google translate ...
Poor old Plato 
Just read it and you'll see instead:
Wahrlich nämlich (ist) dies des Philosophen (Haupt-) Eigenschaft, das Staunen (bzw. sich Wundern): es gibt nämlich keinen anderen Anfang der Philosophie als diesen.
Or let me try in English:
Really, this (is) the philosopher's (primary) virtue, the wondering: there's no other starting point of philosophy than this.
d:-)
Edit: It sounds like this for German readers: "Mala gar filosofu tuto to pathos, to thaumazein: u gar allä archä filosofias ä autä." FWIW.
Edit 2: Replaced an English word.
RE: UK Numeracy Test - Gerson W. Barbosa - 07-03-2014 09:24 PM
(07-03-2014 05:26 PM)Maximilian Hohmann Wrote:(07-03-2014 03:58 PM)walter b Wrote: No comment beyond this...
I would say not worse than 7 * 8 = 54
I almost answered 48, but then I realized they were talking base 10, not 12 :-)
RE: UK Numeracy Test - walter b - 07-04-2014 04:29 AM
Please let me add that at Plato's time, "philosophy" could also mean science in general. And "ἀρχὴ" can be translated as "origin" as well. I think he really brought it to the point in his sentence: no science without wondering.
Back to topic now
d:-)
RE: UK Numeracy Test - Gerald H - 07-04-2014 05:23 AM
(07-04-2014 04:29 AM)walter b Wrote: Please let me add that at Plato's time, "philosophy" could also mean science in general. And "ἀρχὴ" can be translated as "origin" as well. I think he really brought it to the point in his sentence: no science without wondering.
Back to topic now
d:-)
Back to the Greek for a moment:
For the Greek "pathos" I prefer "passion" or "Leidenschaft", as both capture the ideas of suffering & enthusiasm.