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HP41 TULIP4041 update - MeindertKuipers - 08-23-2024 02:01 PM Many of you may have noticed that Raspberry Pi have recently introduced the RP2350 microcontroller as a next generation of the RP2040. The TULIP4041 was scheduled to use the RP2040. There may be some advantages to use the newer processor and I will first test the Development Board setup with the RP2350 to find out if switching over makes any sense. This means that I am holding off the orders for the Development Board until I have verified operation with the RP2350. If you have ordered a Development Board you should have received this information. If I do switch over to the new processor it will most likely delay the final module version as well. In the meantime a presentation about TULIP4041 will be given by Sylvian at the HHC conference in September, with a real live demo. I am working on the presentation and documentation as well. RE: HP41 TULIP4041 update - Sylvain Cote - 08-24-2024 02:12 AM The board was delivered last week and the final assembly was completed early this week. My complete test setup is:
edit: typos & formatting RE: HP41 TULIP4041 update - Geoff Quickfall - 08-24-2024 03:08 AM Very much looking forward to the presentation! Cheers, you two! Geoff RE: HP41 TULIP4041 update - John Ioannidis - 08-25-2024 11:07 PM What's the point of telling us all this if you are not posting any code? Also, why tell us about the hosting environment? The Pico SDK runs on pretty much everything. Is it really relevant what kind of power supply your Pi4 uses or how much storage it has? RE: HP41 TULIP4041 update - Sylvain Cote - 08-25-2024 11:46 PM (08-25-2024 11:07 PM)John Ioannidis Wrote: What's the point of telling us all this if you are not posting any code?Meindert is making a new product and he is just telling the peoples that have reserved the prototype boards that it will take a little more time before he can shipped them. Also, he never said that he will publish his source code, nor that he have to. (08-25-2024 11:07 PM)John Ioannidis Wrote: Also, why tell us about the hosting environment? The Pico SDK runs on pretty much everything. Is it really relevant what kind of power supply your Pi4 uses or how much storage it has?When I will report my test results, I want Meindert to know exactly what is my testing environment. The goal of using a Raspberry Pi 4B was to have a neutral machine that is not polluted by the software I use on my main machine and that is dedicated to this task only. The information is there to allow Meindert or anyone else to build of copy of my testing environment if he/they choose to do so. Finally, there were some other RP4 projects on this forum that were not able to run lifutils and/or pyilper natively, so I added the step on how to build/install them. I was planning to report my first test results, but my wife reminded me that I had to work on the house this weekend, so the next post will come later this week. RE: HP41 TULIP4041 update - Geoff Quickfall - 08-25-2024 11:50 PM Ha, happy wife, happy life. Merci beaucoup! for the explanation Sylvain! Cheers[/b] RE: HP41 TULIP4041 update - MeindertKuipers - 08-26-2024 07:24 AM (08-25-2024 11:07 PM)John Ioannidis Wrote: What's the point of telling us all this if you are not posting any code?No worries, there will be source code published of the version that will go out to the users of the Development Board. I do want to make certain that it is in a useable state. And my earlier offer still stands, if you are interested in the sources I will happily share it with you. RE: HP41 TULIP4041 update - Etienne Victoria - 08-26-2024 09:26 PM (08-24-2024 02:12 AM)Sylvain Cote Wrote: The board was delivered last week and the final assembly was completed early this week. Thanks Sylvain! Your description of the test setup is very useful to me and helps greatly to anticipate the arrival of the board. Best Etienne RE: HP41 TULIP4041 update - Sylvain Cote - 08-27-2024 07:33 PM Tulip4041 testing has finally started on my side ... Yeah! Startup was a little rocky at first but now everything seems to works. The Raspberry Pi Pico (RPP) USB virtual serial ports is seen as ttyACM instead of ttyUSB on the Raspberry PI 4B. I am able to connect on the multiple serial terminals with minicom but pyilper only uses ttyUSB devices and ignore the ttyACM ones. Fortunately it works if I manually change pyilper configuration file and set it to "/dev/ttyACM2". I just posted a request to Joachim to add the ttyACM devices to his PIL-Box serial interface configuration dialog. USB virtual serial ports roles are ... Code: /dev/ttyACM0 → CDC port 0: console, user interface 1) with minicom, I connect to the main console (/dev/ttyACM0) and control the Tulip4041 features through its commands. Code: * help 2) with minicom, I see trace listings (/dev/ttyACM1) activated by the main console Code: 119940 E119 1 087 0.0000000DC4.0.00 ... R000 C0 FI0123456789ABCD JC 16 3) with pyilper connected to /dev/ttyACM2, I see all the HP-IL commands going in and out in the pyilper scope window. Code: DAB 10 (010) dab f0 (0f0) DAB F0 (0F0) eto (540) LAD 01 (421) lad 01 (421) 4) with minicom, I see PILBox trace listings (/dev/ttyACM3) activated by the main console (same listing as the scope window but in different format) Code: PILBox > 0010 DAB hi: 20 lo: 90 5) I have not tried /dev/ttyACM4 yet. 6) CAT 2 → listing done on an HP-41, captured, transformed and sent by Tulip4041 (Raspberry Pi Pico RP2040) to pyilper 82162A printer emulator (Raspberry Pi 4B). Code: -TIME 2C I have reported my first small harmless bug to Meindert this morning. So this is it for now. Sylvain RE: HP41 TULIP4041 update - MeindertKuipers - 08-28-2024 07:23 AM Good work Sylvian, thanks for sharing. Just a few remarks from me: - The trace listing shows FI as high all the time. You probably have jumper JP2 open. If you close this you can trace the FI line, and you see activity there when there is HP-IL traffic or interrupts from TIME - In the IL Scope you see double the amount of RFC frames. These are real frames, the handling of these frames in the PILBox emulation needs to be fixed. Next items for you to test: HP82143 printing and IR printing, Extended Memory and adding the HP-IL registers to the trace (command 'tracer ilregs'). Note that the registers are shown only when there is a change. The ILScope trace is a different format because it is mixed with PILBox serial traffic (can be switched off), and I can never remember if the IL frames in capitals are in or out, so I used the symbols > for out and < for in. RE: HP41 TULIP4041 update - jsi - 08-28-2024 12:44 PM (08-27-2024 07:33 PM)Sylvain Cote Wrote: I am able to connect on the multiple serial terminals with minicom but pyilper only uses ttyUSB devices and ignore the ttyACM ones. The combo box entry for the PIL-Box serial device is editable. Therefore you can enter an arbitrary device name there instead of choosing a member of the list. I will be happy to add ttyACMxx devices to the combo box list in the next pyILPER version. Regards Joachim RE: HP41 TULIP4041 update - Sylvain Cote - 08-28-2024 12:54 PM (08-28-2024 12:44 PM)jsi Wrote: The combo box entry for the PIL-Box serial device is editable. Therefore you can enter an arbitrary device name there instead of choosing a member of the list.Really!!! I was so sure that it was not that I did not even tried it, funny how mind works sometimes. (08-28-2024 12:44 PM)jsi Wrote: I will be happy to add ttyACMxx devices to the combo box list in the next pyILPER version.Thanks! Sylvain RE: HP41 TULIP4041 update - John Ioannidis - 08-29-2024 03:32 AM (08-26-2024 07:24 AM)MeindertKuipers Wrote:(08-25-2024 11:07 PM)John Ioannidis Wrote: What's the point of telling us all this if you are not posting any code?No worries, there will be source code published of the version that will go out to the users of the Development Board. I do want to make certain that it is in a useable state. And my earlier offer still stands, if you are interested in the sources I will happily share it with you. I read what I wrote again, and now it sounded embarrassingly rude I apologize. Yes, please share the code. I'm 'jayeye' on GitHub. RE: HP41 TULIP4041 update - MeindertKuipers - 08-29-2024 12:03 PM Since the sources are in a more or less stable state (pending any feedback from Sylvain) I decided to make these public already at https://github.com/mjakuipers/TULIP-DevBoard. A binary for direct downloading in the Pico is in the build directory. The usual disclaimer applies, use at your own risk. Also keep in mind that many parts are in development and half finished. Feedback is appreciated of course. I still have not received my Pico 2 board, and I have some trouble getting the current sources to compile under the new SDK 2.0, and I am still using the SDK 1.51 for that. RE: HP41 TULIP4041 update - John Ioannidis - 08-30-2024 01:44 AM (08-29-2024 12:03 PM)MeindertKuipers Wrote: Since the sources are in a more or less stable state (pending any feedback from Sylvain) I decided to make these public already at https://github.com/mjakuipers/TULIP-DevBoard. A binary for direct downloading in the Pico is in the build directory. Forked! Thanks! The Pico2 is backordered on all the US sites I tried (Adafruit, Sparkfun, Vilros), so don't feel bad RE: HP41 TULIP4041 update - Sylvain Cote - 09-01-2024 02:42 PM Testing update #2 ... I have tested all the functionalities in multiple scenarios and send the report to Meindert yesterday. I assume that it will take him a couple of days to go through the report and come back with answers and/or firmware fix if necessary. Summary ... Working: → almost everything: serial interfaces, control console, tracing consoles, sdcard access, virtual HP-IL, internal ROM mapping, X-Memory, etc. → impressive, given that the software version is: 00.01.01 BETA !!! Minor-Issues: → some inconsistencies in messages and/or behavior. Major-Issues: → IR-Printing and external ROM mapping. → That could be me, not understanding and/or not doing the things correctly and/or functionality missing in my beta firmware. RE: HP41 TULIP4041 update - MeindertKuipers - 09-02-2024 12:06 PM (09-01-2024 02:42 PM)Sylvain Cote Wrote: Testing update #2 ...Thanks for being the guinea pig Sylvain! Thanks to your feedback some nasty bugs were already fixed. The inconsistencies are noted. - IR printing issues probably due to the fact that a real HP82240 printer was used, and the current firmware only supports the simulated HP82143 printer. The byte-stream over a USB serial port or IR (IR with a receiver connected to a HP82143 simulator) - ROM mapping is currently only possible with the ROMs embedded in the firmware for HP-IL, HP-IL Printer and the HP82143 printer ROM. Support for arbitrary ROMs to follow (pending support for specific hardware). RE: HP41 TULIP4041 update - MeindertKuipers - 09-05-2024 03:35 PM Just to keep you all up to date, I have received the Pico2 boards with the RP2350, and after some minor changes something is happening. USB ports work, but no interaction with the calculator and also the SD card does not seem to work. This means that there is some work to do to evaluate the RP2350. RE: HP41 TULIP4041 update - MeindertKuipers - 09-05-2024 06:54 PM Good news, TULIP4041 seems to be working on the Pico2 board. Only a few minor changes needed. Only real issue so far is that the FI line is not driven, meaning that I cannot test HP-IL. And I have done only limited functional testing so far. Really interesting is the power consumption which is supposedly better than the RP2040, probably next week. Also important is that I do not seem to have any issues with the GPIO errata which is currently a hot item on the Pico forums. RE: HP41 TULIP4041 update - MeindertKuipers - 09-16-2024 11:06 AM After receiving and testing the Pico2 boards I have concluded that some more testing is needed to verify if the new RP2350 CPU has enough advantages over the existing RP2040. The initial tests did prove that the Pico2 board behaves quite nice on the Development Board. For now the development of the TULIP4041 will continue with the RP2040 and the existing Pico1 board. Worst case the users need to switch to the Pico2 board later, which is not a big investment. Today I have ordered the PCB's for the Development Board for the existing pre-orders. When I receive these I will verify them by assembling and testing one unit, and when I am happy with the results I will announce this. The issues with the SD card I had with the Pico2 tests are resolved, it was due to an upgrade of the FatFS library, which dropped support for SDSC cards (<= 2 GByte), and I was testing with an older 2 GByte card. Only issue with the Pico2 is with one of the state machines, and this is still to be resolved. Most important wil be testing the power management of the Pico2. |