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Are battery terminal solder onto the battery? - JoeG - 11-04-2024 05:32 PM
I recently acquired a vintage 386 PC that has a barrel type of CMOS battery mounted on the motherboard. The battery needs to be replaced. I'd like to leave as much of the existing mounts that are connected to the battery in place on the motherboard because the replacement I will be using has a different prong configuration (two on one end, and one on the other end), and it would make replacing easier. The original battery has one prong at each end.
Are these mounts soldered to the battery? If so, can I use a SMD heat gun to slowly melt the solder and remove the battery from the mount while leaving the mount still soldered to the motherboard?
Here's a photo of the intended replacement battery for reference only on the mounts (I will not be removing the mounts from the new battery).
Thank you!
Joe
RE: Are battery terminal solder onto the battery? - born2laser - 11-04-2024 05:35 PM
Not solder, those are typically welded. Don’t know how safe is to attack a battery with a soldering iron…
RE: Are battery terminal solder onto the battery? - Dave Frederickson - 11-04-2024 07:04 PM
The pin configuration on the battery is like that so it's not installed backwards.
I see you're replacing the CMOS battery with a NiMH battery.
RE: Are battery terminal solder onto the battery? - JoeG - 11-04-2024 07:10 PM
Yes, it has a GP 3/Gp60K 3.6v 60mAh B 2 on it now. The one is the photo is the new replacement that was recommended by Jameco's website.
RE: Are battery terminal solder onto the battery? - JoeG - 11-04-2024 07:12 PM
Thanks for the reply born2laser!
I'll snip the pins as close as I can.
RE: Are battery terminal solder onto the battery? - Dave Frederickson - 11-04-2024 07:14 PM
Here's a 2-pin version.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/394843844701
or from Jameco
https://www.jameco.com/z/COMP-16-2NMH-Dantona-Industries-NiMH-Battery-Rechargeable-3-6Volt-80mAh-2-Pins-14-16Hrs-8mA-6Hrs-16mA_2137473.html
RE: Are battery terminal solder onto the battery? - JoeG - 11-04-2024 08:00 PM
That one from Jameco looks like the one I should have ordered. That's what I get for trusting their website recommendations. But I'll try what I ordered and see if I can get it to work. If not, I'll order some of these.
Thank you!
Joe
RE: Are battery terminal solder onto the battery? - Jeff_Birt - 11-04-2024 08:47 PM
I keep the two-pin type in stock, it seems to be what is most often used in vintage gear.
https://www.soigeneris.com/memory-backup-battery-mbat1
RE: Are battery terminal solder onto the battery? - JoeG - 11-04-2024 10:12 PM
Had I known, or looked, I would have ordered from you Jeff. Who knows? I still might?
Thank you!
Joe
RE: Are battery terminal solder onto the battery? - Ren - 11-06-2024 05:35 PM
(11-04-2024 08:47 PM)Jeff_Birt
[url' Wrote: https://www.soigeneris.com/memory-backup-battery-mbat1[/url]
The Dial-a-ROM blew me away!
Neat!
RE: Are battery terminal solder onto the battery? - badaze - 11-10-2024 03:10 PM
(11-04-2024 05:35 PM)born2laser Wrote: Not solder, those are typically welded. Don’t know how safe is to attack a battery with a soldering iron…
Excuse me. I’m not a native English speaker. What is the difference between to solder and to weld?
RE: Are battery terminal solder onto the battery? - born2laser - 11-10-2024 05:08 PM
(11-10-2024 03:10 PM)badaze Wrote:(11-04-2024 05:35 PM)born2laser Wrote: Not solder, those are typically welded. Don’t know how safe is to attack a battery with a soldering iron…
Excuse me. I’m not a native English speaker. What is the difference between to solder and to weld?
Neither am I as a matter of fact, but I have been exposed to English for technical subjects for years.
You can get tons of information by googling that question, for the purposes of the discussion here we are talking in particular of joining two pieces of metal by applying very localized heat and pressure, enough to melt both pieces together in little spots without increasing the temperature of the rest of the part.
For soldering you use much lower temperature to melt a third material that then sticks to your parts, but you need to heat them up to higher temperature than if you weld them.
Welding provides very strong joints that can be done very quickly, I have seen it used for all battery packs, even done it myself to recell the pack in my IL printer
Hope that helps,
Juan
RE: Are battery terminal solder onto the battery? - Maximilian Hohmann - 11-10-2024 05:14 PM
(11-10-2024 03:10 PM)badaze Wrote: Excuse me. I’m not a native English speaker. What is the difference between to solder and to weld?
Welding = Soudage (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soudage)
Solder = Brasage - mais on utilise un fer à souder pour ce processus (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fer_%C3%A0_souder)
RE: Are battery terminal solder onto the battery? - Ren - 11-10-2024 07:26 PM
(11-10-2024 05:14 PM)Maximilian Hohmann Wrote:(11-10-2024 03:10 PM)badaze Wrote: Excuse me. I’m not a native English speaker. What is the difference between to solder and to weld?
Welding = Soudage (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soudage)
Solder = Brasage - mais on utilise un fer à souder pour ce processus (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fer_%C3%A0_souder)
Now, let's further confuse the issue by bringing the word "braze" into the discussion!
(just kidding!)
RE: Are battery terminal solder onto the battery? - badaze - 11-10-2024 09:34 PM
(11-10-2024 05:14 PM)Maximilian Hohmann Wrote:(11-10-2024 03:10 PM)badaze Wrote: Excuse me. I’m not a native English speaker. What is the difference between to solder and to weld?
Welding = Soudage (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soudage)
Solder = Brasage - mais on utilise un fer à souder pour ce processus (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fer_%C3%A0_souder)
Merci ! It’s clearer.
RE: Are battery terminal solder onto the battery? - badaze - 11-10-2024 09:36 PM
(11-10-2024 05:08 PM)born2laser Wrote:(11-10-2024 03:10 PM)badaze Wrote: Excuse me. I’m not a native English speaker. What is the difference between to solder and to weld?
Neither am I as a matter of fact, but I have been exposed to English for technical subjects for years.
You can get tons of information by googling that question, for the purposes of the discussion here we are talking in particular of joining two pieces of metal by applying very localized heat and pressure, enough to melt both pieces together in little spots without increasing the temperature of the rest of the part.
For soldering you use much lower temperature to melt a third material that then sticks to your parts, but you need to heat them up to higher temperature than if you weld them.
Welding provides very strong joints that can be done very quickly, I have seen it used for all battery packs, even done it myself to recell the pack in my IL printer
Hope that helps,
Juan
Merci ! It helped.
RE: Are battery terminal solder onto the battery? - born2laser - 11-10-2024 10:24 PM
(11-10-2024 07:26 PM)Ren Wrote: Now, let's further confuse the issue by bringing the word "braze" into the discussion!
(just kidding!)
In Spanish is even more confusing. The same word (soldadura) is used for all three processes (solder, weld and braze), there is a second or more words to differentiate them, not used when the context makes it unambiguous, but you may not know the context…