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Swissmicros: it's time for the DM41L - Massimo Gnerucci - 12-04-2015 06:41 AM
Alas, still a landscape format! :(
![[Image: dm41l_large.png]](https://www.swissmicros.com/photos_nov2012/dm41l_large.png)
![[Image: dm41l_back_large.png]](https://www.swissmicros.com/photos_nov2012/dm41l_back_large.png)
RE: Swissmicros: it's time for the DM41L - walter b - 12-04-2015 07:55 AM
Ok, nice but not breathtaking. LCD is better readable than 14 segments for sure. Keyboard layout looks debatable.
Anyway, enjoy!
d:-)
RE: Swissmicros: it's time for the DM41L - Dwight Sturrock - 12-04-2015 04:53 PM
Looks nice. That keyboard layout would take some time getting used to.
Anyone buy one yet?
RE: Swissmicros: it's time for the DM41L - Lehndal - 12-04-2015 08:34 PM
(12-04-2015 04:53 PM)Dwight Sturrock Wrote: Anyone buy one yet?
Yes, I just ordered one. It is probably the least needed tool in my arsenal, I have calculators all over the place (most are HP's) but who can resist such a temptation?
RE: Swissmicros: it's time for the DM41L - JimP - 12-04-2015 11:06 PM
How do the keyboards for the "L" models compare with the credit card size ones (the latter being a bit ordinary)? (Trying to decide whether to acquire a DM41-CC or DM41L...)
RE: Swissmicros: it's time for the DM41L - Massimo Gnerucci - 12-04-2015 11:15 PM
(12-04-2015 11:06 PM)JimP Wrote: (Trying to decide whether to acquire a DM41-CC or DM41L...)
If you do not need a credit card sized unit, go with the "L" model.
RE: Swissmicros: it's time for the DM41L - Guenter Schink - 12-05-2015 12:03 AM
(12-04-2015 07:55 AM)walter b Wrote: Ok, nice but not breathtaking. LCD is better readable than 14 segments for sure. Keyboard layout looks debatable.
Anyway, enjoy!
d:-)
It would really be breathtaking if it had the full x-memory and if all the modules available elsewhere could be loaded into RAM and arbitrary configured like in the CL.
Günter
Michael, some work is waiting still
RE: Swissmicros: it's time for the DM41L - d b - 12-05-2015 02:08 AM
(12-05-2015 12:03 AM)Guenter Schink Wrote:(12-04-2015 07:55 AM)walter b Wrote: Ok, nice but not breathtaking. LCD is better readable than 14 segments for sure. Keyboard layout looks debatable.
Anyway, enjoy!
d:-)
It would really be breathtaking if it had the full x-memory and if all the modules available elsewhere could be loaded into RAM and arbitrary configured like in the CL.
Günter
Michael, some work is waiting still
Günter;
Or maybe a functionally unlimited main memory, with any applicable x-functions and at least the 'store data file' instruction from the I/O module, usb, plus a multi line screen. Oops. I think i just described the 43s.
I know that a five line 14 segment screen is just too much to ask for, but wouldn't that be pretty?
See you in Vancouver. - den
RE: Swissmicros: it's time for the DM41L - Ángel Martin - 12-05-2015 07:24 AM
(12-04-2015 07:55 AM)walter b Wrote: Ok, nice but not breathtaking. LCD is better readable than 14 segments for sure. Keyboard layout looks debatable.
Nothing is better readable than the 41's segment display on the FULLNuts.
RE: Swissmicros: it's time for the DM41L - walter b - 12-05-2015 07:47 AM
Ángel, my Fullnuts lack batteries so I can't verify though I believe in your statement contrastwise. Nevertheless, letters on a dot matrix will always be better readable than on whatever segment display - in particular lower case ones. Just for explanation what I meant.
d:-)
RE: Swissmicros: it's time for the DM41L - vido - 12-05-2015 08:49 PM
Nice ! Just placed an order, this is the perfect christmas gift for this year.
I wonder if Swissmicros would consider making models with a backlit screen.
Also, I'd like to see a landscape version of the WP-34S and maybe an actual 43S there :-)
RE: Swissmicros: it's time for the DM41L - Guenter Schink - 12-05-2015 10:14 PM
(12-05-2015 02:08 AM)Den Belillo (Martinez Ca.) Wrote:(12-05-2015 12:03 AM)Guenter Schink Wrote: It would really be breathtaking if it had the full x-memory and if all the modules available elsewhere could be loaded into RAM and arbitrary configured like in the CL.
Günter
Michael, some work is waiting still
Günter;
Or maybe a functionally unlimited main memory, with any applicable x-functions and at least the 'store data file' instruction from the I/O module, usb, plus a multi line screen. Oops. I think i just described the 43s.
I know that a five line 14 segment screen is just too much to ask for, but wouldn't that be pretty?
See you in Vancouver. - den
Nice try Den
but seriously, having the full size x-memory doesn't sound to exotic. It was once available in the DM-41cc. Unfortunately Michael had to remove it due to software issues.
Concerning the availability of all the modules or ROMs we see the solution Monte has provided. So in theory it could be possible in the DM-41L too. Perhaps Michael could license the software necessary from Monte and add some flash memory
Günter
There were no news about Vancouver recently. Let's keep our fingers crossed it will happen there!
RE: Swissmicros: it's time for the DM41L - Vtile - 12-05-2015 11:07 PM
Nicee... Did 41 were good at complex numbers? I see there is R>P and P>R keys (polar to rectangular?), but I seem to not spot anything that would promise complex calculus (which I assume is there).
RE: Swissmicros: it's time for the DM41L - Paul Dale - 12-06-2015 02:42 AM
The 41 doesn't do any complex mathematics.
The maths module had some routines for complex operations but there were a bit cumbersome. Angel has written a superb module that has great complex support but you'll need extra hardware to use it (41CL or one of the programmable modules).
- Pauli
RE: Swissmicros: it's time for the DM41L - Ángel Martin - 12-06-2015 09:35 AM
(12-05-2015 07:47 AM)walter b Wrote: Ángel, my Fullnuts lack batteries so I can't verify though I believe in your statement contrastwise. Nevertheless, letters on a dot matrix will always be better readable than on whatever segment display - in particular lower case ones. Just for explanation what I meant.
You're right the definition and character capability is far better in dot-matrix LCDs.
For vision-impaired folks like myself however the contrast and clarity of the segments in the 41 LCD is a trade off that I made very happily.
RE: Swissmicros: it's time for the DM41L - Marcus von Cube - 12-06-2015 04:04 PM
A few ideas (Michael, are you reading?):
- Run HP-IL over USB by using the PIL-Box protocol so both are interchangeable
- Add a way to implement at least a few essential modules like CCD OS/X or equivalent
RE: Swissmicros: it's time for the DM41L - Massimo Gnerucci - 12-06-2015 04:24 PM
(12-06-2015 04:04 PM)Marcus von Cube Wrote: A few ideas (Michael, are you reading?):
- Run HP-IL over USB by using the PIL-Box protocol so both are interchangeable
- Add a way to implement at least a few essential modules like CCD OS/X or equivalent
- Update the nut en-decoder for the other models, including the 41
- Revise the 41 keyboard layout
RE: Swissmicros: it's time for the DM41L - rprosperi - 12-06-2015 06:57 PM
(12-06-2015 04:04 PM)Marcus von Cube Wrote: A few ideas (Michael, are you reading?):
- Run HP-IL over USB by using the PIL-Box protocol so both are interchangeable
- Add a way to implement at least a few essential modules like CCD OS/X or equivalent
Agree with both, great suggestions Marcus! Few other enhancements add as much value and flexibility for any 41 user today, imho.
RE: Swissmicros: it's time for the DM41L - toml_12953 - 12-07-2015 03:35 PM
(12-04-2015 06:41 AM)Massimo Gnerucci Wrote: Alas, still a landscape format!
I ordered one last night. I'd still like one that could use port modules like the card reader and printer, though!
Tom L
RE: Swissmicros: it's time for the DM41L - d b - 12-07-2015 06:00 PM
(12-07-2015 03:35 PM)toml_12953 Wrote: I ordered one last night. I'd still like one that could use port modules like the card reader and printer, though!
Tom L
That's exactly what we all said about the 42s, but like you; we all bought one.