Perimeter of Ellipse
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03-05-2016, 04:19 PM
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Perimeter of Ellipse
Although simple formulae for the perimeter of an ellipse exist, they are only approximations. Exact formulae are complicated. The following program uses a converging iteration technique instead. Ported from a QBASIC program by Gérard P. Michon.
Syntax: EllipsePerimeter(a,b), where a & b are the lengths of the axes (order doesn't matter) Output: perimeter of ellipse Examples: EllipsePerimeter(0.5, 0.5) --> 3.14159265359 EllipsePerimeter(3, 4) --> 22.1034921607 Code: gk(h); <0|ɸ|0> -Joe- |
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03-06-2016, 11:55 AM
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RE: Perimeter of Ellipse
I was going to suggest the following:
Code: EXPORT EllipsePerimeter(a,b) but it seems that PPL doesn't like local variables inside of an integral. Here's a work-around: Code: EXPORT EllipsePerimeter(a,b) |
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03-06-2016, 02:16 PM
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RE: Perimeter of Ellipse
or this work-around:
Code: EXPORT EllipsePerimeter(a,b) |
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03-06-2016, 02:40 PM
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RE: Perimeter of Ellipse
Did not know that about perimeters of ellipses.
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03-06-2016, 06:42 PM
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RE: Perimeter of Ellipse
I guess the perimeter is computed using the arithmetic geometric mean, correct?
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03-07-2016, 01:16 PM
(This post was last modified: 03-07-2016 01:16 PM by SlideRule.)
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RE: Perimeter of Ellipse
(03-05-2016 04:19 PM)Joe Horn Wrote: Although simple formulae for the perimeter of an ellipse exist, they are only approximations. Exact formulae are complicated. The following program uses a converging iteration technique instead. When I was employed by an Engineering firm specializing in Bridge Design, we used elliptical substructure rather than rectangular. The design was easy enough BUT the insitu replication of that design was elusive, so we substituted cirular arcs (tangent) for the desired elipse. The desired substitute was reflective about both inplane axis, so only 1/4 of the form need be designed. Seldom were more the 5 contiguous arcs needed while 3 arcs satisfied most requirements. The circle(s) approximations functioned well within the desired strutural requirements while easing the construction layout. BEST! SlideRule |
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03-07-2016, 03:34 PM
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RE: Perimeter of Ellipse
(03-06-2016 02:16 PM)Wes Loewer Wrote: or this work-around: Your program above (unlike mine) always agrees with Wolfram Alpha's perimeter of an ellipse, even for very eccentric ellipses. Congratulations! <0|ɸ|0> -Joe- |
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03-09-2016, 08:39 AM
(This post was last modified: 03-09-2016 08:42 AM by parisse.)
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RE: Perimeter of Ellipse
I can add this functionnality to perimeter, using the approximate value of the integral
http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/%7epa...(-1,1,2))& (make sure to clear your browser cache if you have already tried Xcas offline). |
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03-24-2019, 12:42 PM
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RE: Perimeter of Ellipse
From HP Forum Archive 21, message 5, and some optimizations, I get:
Quote:local sqrt, pi = math.sqrt, math.pi Example: lua> ellipsePerimeter(1, 2) --> 9.688448220547675 lua> ellipsePerimeter(2, 3) --> 15.86543958929059 lua> ellipsePerimeter(3, 4) --> 22.103492160709504 |
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07-11-2019, 05:02 PM
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RE: Perimeter of Ellipse
(03-07-2016 03:34 PM)Joe Horn Wrote:(03-06-2016 02:16 PM)Wes Loewer Wrote: or this work-around: Gérard. |
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12-04-2019, 05:30 PM
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RE: Perimeter of Ellipse
(03-24-2019 12:42 PM)Albert Chan Wrote: From HP Forum Archive 21, message 5, and some optimizations, I get: On Free42 using Hugh Steers’s original algorithm I get 1 ENTER 2 XEQ PEL -> 9.688448220547676198428503196391833 2 ENTER 3 XEQ PEL -> 15.86543958929058979133166302778308 3 ENTER 4 XEQ PEL -> 22.10349216070950504528558646387247 Code:
On the wp34s, for low-eccentricity ellipses, the following approximation might be handy, since no programming is required: 2\(\pi\)[3*agm(a,b) - 2√(a*b)] The error in the lenght of the orbit of Pluto should be less than 5 meters when using that approximation, if my calculation is correct. |
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12-04-2019, 06:28 PM
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RE: Perimeter of Ellipse
(12-04-2019 05:30 PM)Gerson W. Barbosa Wrote: The error in the lenght of the orbit of Pluto should be less than 5 meters when using that approximation, if my calculation is correct. Your calculation may be correct but I seriously doubt the orbital parameters for Pluto are actually known to such precision, most especially since the orbit's semi-major axis is some 5.90638 billion km, i.e.: 5.90638 trillion meters. An error "less than 5 meters" in such huge value seems unrealistic from a purely physical point of view. From a purely mathematical point of view, that's another matter and your error estimation may be correct, though again the orbit's eccentricity is not known to high accuracy either (~0.2488, quite large when compared with the much more circular orbit of Earth, say). Regards. V. All My Articles & other Materials here: Valentin Albillo's HP Collection |
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12-04-2019, 10:27 PM
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RE: Perimeter of Ellipse
(12-04-2019 06:28 PM)Valentin Albillo Wrote: An error "less than 5 meters" in such huge value seems unrealistic from a purely physical point of view. From a purely mathematical point of view, that's another matter and your error estimation may be correct, though again the orbit's eccentricity is not known to high accuracy either (~0.2488, quite large when compared with the much more circular orbit of Earth, say). Hello, Valentin, This has been done only to assess the quality of the approximation, if any. Anyway, despite the uncertainties involved, the order of magnitude of the difference should be correct. Some doublechecking: semi-major axis: a = 5906376272 km eccentricity: e = 0.24880766 -> semi-minor axis: b = 5720637952.8 km, for which the Free42 program returns the exact result 36529672878.01583840603514193230844 km Now, on the wp34s, 5906376272 ENTER 5720637952.8 AGM -> 5813136193.07 3 * 5906376272 ENTER 5720637952.8 * √ 2 * - 2 * π * -> 36529672878.01109446182 km Difference: 0.00474394421514193230844 km or 4.74 m ———- This first Ramanujan approximation brings the error down to under one meter: π[3(a + b) - √((3a + b)(a + 3b))] His second approximation is even better, with an error less than one micrometer: https://www.johndcook.com/blog/2013/05/0...-ellipse/ Best regards, Gerson. |
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12-05-2019, 03:17 PM
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RE: Perimeter of Ellipse
This is an equivalent Decimal BASIC program of a C-program by Hugh Steers here. The port of this one or the original C-program to the Prime should be straightforward. The computational effort is a fraction of that involved in the computation of the elliptic integral, but that may not make a significant difference in fast calculators like the Prime.
OPTION ARITHMETIC DECIMAL_HIGH INPUT PROMPT "a, b: ":ae,be LET nd = 1000 LET tm = TIME LET b = be/ae LET s = (1 + b*b)/2 LET a = 1 LET t = 1 DO LET a1 = (a + b)/2 IF a = a1 THEN EXIT DO LET c = (a - b)/2 LET b = SQR(a*b) LET a = a1 LET s = s - t*c*c LET t = t + t LOOP LET p = 2*PI*ae*s/a LET r = TIME - tm LET r$ = STR$(p - INT(p)) PRINT STR$(INT(p)); PRINT r$(0:1); FOR i = 2 TO nd + 1 PRINT r$(i:i); IF MOD((i - 1),10) = 0 THEN PRINT " "; IF MOD((i - 1),50) = 0 THEN PRINT REPEAT$(" ",1 + LEN(STR$(INT(p)))); END IF NEXT i IF MOD (i - 2,50) <> 0 OR nd = 0 THEN PRINT PRINT "Runtime: "; PRINT USING "0.##": r; PRINT " seconds" END --------------- a, b: 3,4 22.1034921607 0950504528 5586463872 4607782782 8910007059 3992632612 5910396946 4959177286 6218309324 0390352083 5815953162 7467734138 2129000335 3896736622 8442994174 6192287204 5014970302 5317033312 3929977604 0095275908 3220930141 4469558250 9419563787 3762863238 9667370976 2571981363 4931419230 9352895844 1906042118 2907229022 9686418117 2635887950 2052296943 0126681600 8830044762 7954774028 4076289798 3279618691 9046286983 5594397451 2356208773 7408645009 3309824766 6784863302 2726732463 0516083153 4972329406 0801844377 6345370790 6974256179 0156140823 0342896177 6736816934 6443281912 6179659392 2331855348 5127216985 8740979075 6632664289 7373983969 0524635361 8083080355 2201668145 2949128953 8470111771 1967401421 1827316426 8227257828 0215582400 2244838587 9322889687 7768410992 9363265305 7955533884 5140145875 1572214188 4766228802 8889719384 4198561575 6084702523 4710513780 8869298904 8167827143 0007524734 3709238837 9951007032 1404352133 5658034012 3750989012 2020953649 3147176616 2140936028 0496095218 3637964950 6346311041 3538836238 7660229689 7814732208 7377779791 016495137 Runtime: 0.05 seconds |
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12-07-2019, 07:57 PM
(This post was last modified: 01-05-2020 01:03 AM by Gerson W. Barbosa.)
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RE: Perimeter of Ellipse
(12-04-2019 10:27 PM)Gerson W. Barbosa Wrote: ———- Instead of p ~ 2π[3*agm(a,b) - 2√(a*b)] I will suggest a better approximation involving the arithmetic-geometric mean and the geometric mean: p ~ 2π{a + b - a*b/agm(a,b) - 2[agm(a,b) - √(a*b)]} Let’s use it to compute the length of the orbit of Pluto¹: —— wp34s program 001 LBL A 002 ©ENTER 003 STO+ T 004 RCL× Y 005 √ 006 STO I 007 x⇆ L 008 ⇆ ZYXT 009 AGM 010 STO/ Y 011 RCL- I 012 STO+ X 013 + 014 - 015 # π 016 × 017 STO+ X 018 END —— 5906376272 ENTER 5720637952.8 A -> 36529672878.01583848170946635744574 Exact result: 36529672878.01583840603514193230844 km Difference: 0.000000075674324425137 km, or 75.674 μm —— ¹ Assuming the parameters are exact and the orbit is perfectly elliptical. ——- 01-03-2020 11:57 PM PS: I present another formula involving AGM: p ~ 2π[agm(a,b)(192(1 - h) - h²) - 128(1 - h)√(ab)]/[64(1 - h) - h²] where h = [(a - b)/(a + b)]² Error: 32.59 nm (orbit of Pluto) Further improvement is still possible . ² The actual error produced by Ramanujan’s second formula is slightly less than one nanometer, not one micrometer. ——- 01-05-2020 01:03 AM PSS: Just a small refinement – more are still possible – and the overall error in the length of the orbit of Pluto is only 19.34 fm (femtometers!). p ~ 2π{agm(a,b)[77h² - 768(h - 1)] - [54h² - 512(h - 1)]√(ab)}/[23h² - 256(h - 1)] where h = [(a - b)/(a + b)]² Example: a = 5906376272 km b = 5720637952.8 km p ~ 36529672878.01583840603514191296851 km Exact: p = 36529672878.01583840603514193230844 km |
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12-29-2019, 07:58 PM
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RE: Perimeter of Ellipse
(12-07-2019 07:57 PM)Gerson W. Barbosa Wrote:(12-04-2019 10:27 PM)Gerson W. Barbosa Wrote: ———- We can do better: \(p\approx \frac{\pi \left [ \left ( 15h\sqrt{1+\frac{3h}{8-3h\sqrt{2}}}-80\right )\left ( a^{2}+\frac{6}{5}ab+b^{2} \right ) +4h\left ( a^{2}+2ab+b^{2} \right ) \right ]}{\left ( 12h\sqrt{1+\frac{3h}{8-3h\sqrt{2}}}+4h-64\right )\left ( a+b \right )}\) where \(h = \left (\frac{a-b}{a+b} \right )^{2 }\) This one wasn't particularly difficult to find (might explain later). p ~ 36529672878.01583840603557428740268 km p = 36529672878.01583840603514193230844 km Difference: 0.432 nm Contrary to what is stated above, the difference obtained with Ramanujan's second approximation is less than one nanometer, not one micrometer (actually 0.905 nm), about the double of the above result, but his formula is way more simple. |
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01-19-2020, 03:56 AM
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RE: Perimeter of Ellipse
(12-29-2019 07:58 PM)Gerson W. Barbosa Wrote: We can do better: We can simplify this a bit. Let \(\large c = \sqrt{1+\frac{3h}{8-3h\sqrt{2}}}\quad → p ≈ \pi(a+b)\Large\left({3ch^2 + 12(c-1)h - 64 \over 4(3c+1)h-64}\,\right) \) If \(\large c = 1\), above simplified to: \(\quad\large p ≈ \pi(a+b)\Large\left({3h^2 - 64 \over 16h-64}\,\right) \) This matched ellipse perimeter Pade [2,1] approximation. |
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01-19-2020, 11:00 PM
(This post was last modified: 01-20-2020 03:26 PM by Albert Chan.)
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RE: Perimeter of Ellipse
(12-07-2019 07:57 PM)Gerson W. Barbosa Wrote: Just a small refinement – more are still possible – and the overall error in the length of the orbit of Pluto is only 19.34 fm (femtometers!). If you have AGM, this recursive formula is better (based on AGM2 method): \(\large p(a,b) = 2× \left( p({a+b \over 2}, \sqrt{ab}) - {\pi a b \over AGM(a,b)}\right)\) In other words, calculate ellipse perimeter from a much less eccentric ellipse. You can do this recursively, but then you might as well use AGM2. Note: AGM only needed to calculate once, since AGM(a,b) = AGM((a+b)/2, √(ab)) = ... Code: from gmpy2 import * >>> a=mpfr('5906376272') >>> b=mpfr('5720637952.8') >>> print pade22(a,b) 36529672878.015838406030163739762066543303728710139 >>> p = pade22((a+b)/2, sqrt(a*b)) >>> print 2*(p - pi*a*b / agm(a,b)) 36529672878.015838406035141932308423167594568357066 AGM improved pade22 doubled accuracy, from 22 to 45 digits. |
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01-21-2020, 02:37 AM
(This post was last modified: 05-18-2021 07:07 PM by Gerson W. Barbosa.)
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RE: Perimeter of Ellipse
(01-19-2020 11:00 PM)Albert Chan Wrote: If you have AGM, this recursive formula is better (based on AGM2 method): That’s it! Thanks! I’ve used it on my other example, the much more eccentric orbit of Halley’s comet ( a = 2667950000 km; b = 678282900 km ). Just one call to the function, as in your example p(a, b) = π{(a + b)[h²(3h² - 136) + 320] + [a b/(a + b)](96h² - 256)}/[h²(3h² - 112) + 256] (*) where h = [(a - b)/(a + b)] and the error was reduced from 12315.162 km to 0.555 meters! (*) When comparing the arithmetic and harmonic means with the equivalent radius, I came up with Peano approximation, of which that’s a refinement. P.S.: The above approximation can be simplified to p(a, b) = π(a + b)[1 - (24h - 64)/(3h + 256/h - 112)] where h = [(a - b)/(a + b)]² |
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01-21-2020, 05:16 PM
(This post was last modified: 01-23-2020 01:56 PM by Albert Chan.)
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RE: Perimeter of Ellipse
(01-19-2020 11:00 PM)Albert Chan Wrote: \(\large p(a,b) = 2× \left( p({a+b \over 2}, \sqrt{ab}) - {\pi a b \over AGM(a,b)}\right)\) Amazingly, the less eccentric ellipse have the eccentricity of h lua> sqrt = math.sqrt lua> a, b = 2667950000, 678281900 -- numbers from here lua> = sqrt(1-(b/a)^2) → e = 0.967142904276921 lua> = (a-b)/(a+b) → h = 0.5945995852827773 = e' lua> lua> a, b = (a+b)/2, sqrt(a*b) lua> = sqrt(1-(b/a)^2) → e' = 0.5945995852827773 lua> = (a-b)/(a+b) → h' = 0.10863394673347321 = e'' Prove: Assume a ≥ b, let a', b' = (a+b)/2, √(ab) e' = √(1-(b'/a')²) = √(1 - 4ab/(a+b)²) = (a-b)/(a+b) = h |
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