New HP-42S Replacement?

[Thomas Radtke]

(09-17-2017 10:55 AM)toml_12953 Wrote:  and not the Trump either, I hope!

No chance making HP great again?

[Luigi Vampa]

(09-17-2017 10:01 AM)pier4r Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 08:39 AM)Luigi Vampa Wrote:  - Prime sales figures don't grow.

If free42 would release a new version that breaks compatibility, and all has to be written again, with even less functions because it is new (for example, no solver, no matrix, etc.) people won't use it so quickly.

Free42 has slightly augmented HP42s catalog and kept backward compatibility, not to mention the year-after-year polishing job, which has turned this app into a reference.
The point is whether Thomas Okken has any plans to move forward with a 4-level stack by means of a bigger screen. This has been heartly welcome by SM's DM42 beta testers.
Embedding XCAS seems major surgery, doesn't it?

[Thomas Okken]

(09-17-2017 10:01 AM)pier4r Wrote:  If free42 would release a new version that breaks compatibility

Why would I do that?
Not going to happen. Not while I'm in charge, anyway.

(09-17-2017 03:54 PM)Luigi Vampa Wrote:  The point is whether Thomas Okken has any plans to move forward with a 4-level stack by means of a bigger screen. This has been heartly welcome by SM's DM42 beta testers.

I have no such plans; anyone who want that bigger screen will have to get a DM42 (or use Byron Foster's 42s iOS app). Of course anyone is welcome to fork Free42 and add big-screen support, that's the point of the GPL. :-)

[pier4r]

(09-17-2017 05:13 PM)Thomas Okken Wrote:  Why would I do that?
Not going to happen. Not while I'm in charge, anyway.

Was an example to say "stability and maturity are important in a field that does not change every year". Or better, considering the majority of math equations /systems used.

[Luigi Vampa]

(09-17-2017 10:01 AM)pier4r Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 08:39 AM)Luigi Vampa Wrote:  - Prime sales figures don't grow.

It would be already great if the sales figures would be stable.

I don't think so. Big players need to show up growth every quarter to their stake holders. No matter how healthy an EBITDA looks, who would buy shares of a company with 0% growth year after year?

Same argument applies to every business unit in a big corporation. Which CEO wants to keep investing in a unit with 0% growth?

I, like the rest of this forum's members, feel really attached to HP calcs, and we want to see HP on top of the game again, as the leader of yore.

No calc is free of imperfections, no matter who is the manufacturer. Nevertheless, the HP50g and HP Prime did set new landmarks. I am sure we all wish nothing but the best for the calc business unit at HP in any forecoming products :0)

"Armchair-CEO #1 player dixit" ;0)

[pier4r]

(09-19-2017 08:05 PM)Luigi Vampa Wrote:  I don't think so. Big players need to show up growth every quarter to their stake holders. No matter how healthy an EBITDA looks, who would buy shares of a company with 0% growth year after year?

Well then it would be unrealistic. In a certain market expecting infinite (or constant) grow is unlikely. With finite resources is straightforward absurd to think that one can grow indefinitely.

We are not on the cartesian plane.

[Luigi Vampa]

... I wish my Chinese boss would think like you. I have been working for far-east-based engineering companies these last 9 years, and any growth below 10% is seen as almost flat and useless.

Some years ago I was with a Korean company; our HQ sold out the business unit I was with precisely because of that. I then joined the culprits, a Chinese company growing at CAGR 30% last 5 years.

[pier4r]

Yes but it depends on the market. It is not that all the market are equal.

Market for space traveling and exploration? Maybe it is still too early now but likely there will be the need in the future.

Market for big container ships? Sure! Globalization!

Market for slide rules? Very a little (nowadays). Maybe in the 1930 it was huge (and maybe it will be huge in the future), but it is unlikely to expect constant grow for the slide rule market at the moment.

Also, personal opinion: if the shareholders think that constant grow is always achievable in whatever condition, I'd think that they are not that good in math. Like someone playing the lotto.

Said that, I think the market for advanced calculators like nspire, prime & co is quite stable unless India/China open up.

[Luigi Vampa]

You are absolutely right when you say "market is stable", but this doesn't mean your market share should be stable too.

Imagine HP nails next model and sales surpass all expectations. In this case, HP calc business unit's sales would soar, because their market share would have increased... in the very same stable market we are living year after year.

Believe me, you can't mention an stable market to a boss from the Far East. I have seen some colleagues' heads rolling after repeating that "stable market" mantra too many times :.!

[Werner]

Pardon my curiosity, but I'm dying to know what the talk was about?
Werner

[Joe Horn]

(09-20-2017 01:40 PM)Werner Wrote:  Pardon my curiosity, but I'm dying to know what the talk was about?
Werner

Not being an HP employee, I cannot give a genuine HP Blank Stare™, but we all signed an HP Confidential Disclosure Agreement at HHC 2017, so here's my first order approximation of one:

[Luigi Vampa]

Those eyes say it all :.!
Thanks Joe.

[David Hayden]

(09-20-2017 01:40 PM)Werner Wrote:  Pardon my curiosity, but I'm dying to know what the talk was about?
Werner

Is it the HP-67CX Anniversary Edition?
http://www.hpmuseum.org/item/product.htm

I'm particularly excited by the programming features:
- 4 billion program steps with an optional SD card.
- The SD card can't be written externally: all programs must be entered via keyboard or mag card.
- 4 billion numbered data registers
- 36 program labels (A-Z, 0-9)
- Programs displayed via keycode. E.g.:

Code:

348372293: 34h 32 61    @ Step 348372293, n(hold) g 4, which is the inverse spherical hyperbolic matrix sine function

[aurelio]

(09-13-2017 04:05 AM)Thomas Okken Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 09:07 PM)Carsen Wrote:  Can somebody tell me what makes the HP 42s so fantastic? I have seen pictures of it but I never heard the pros and cons of it.

It's basically an HP-41, without the expansion ports, but with a lot more memory, it's faster, and it has all the HP-15C functionality as well (matrix operations, complex numbers, numerical root finder, numerical integrator), and named variables (not just numbered registers). It's a very well-rounded calculator.

The biggest "con" is the lack of I/O; apart from the keyboard and display, all it has in the I/O department is a one-way infrared printer interface. No bi-directional infrared like the HP-48 series, no serial port, no HP-IL. The only way to get programs into it is typing them.

what a synthesis, Thomas :really effective

[Ángel Martin]

(09-21-2017 07:05 AM)Joe Horn Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 01:40 PM)Werner Wrote:  Pardon my curiosity, but I'm dying to know what the talk was about?
Werner

Not being an HP employee, I cannot give a genuine HP Blank Stare™, but we all signed an HP Confidential Disclosure Agreement at HHC 2017, so here's my first order approximation of one:

Here's one wildly uninformed guess:

a Prime firmware update / applet for a 42S Emulator...

Will your NDA clauses allow confirmation of the wrong guess?

Cheers,
ÁM

[Jlouis]

A NDA for a 42 prime app? Nah...

Why bother? DM42 is around the corner....

Fast, big screen, connectivity, memory...no bugs....no bad keys ...good support...

I was excited at the start, but after such mistery and as someone already said before, HP won't make it better than SM + free42, I am more excited in recieving my Pil-Box....

Whichever comes, it will be welcome...

[toml_12953]

(09-22-2017 01:07 AM)Jlouis Wrote:  A NDA for a 42 prime app? Nah...

Fast, big screen, connectivity, memory...no bugs....no bad keys ...good support...

Did you say, "...no bugs..." Hah!

[smp]

(09-22-2017 01:07 AM)Jlouis Wrote:  DM42 is around the corner....

Ha! The DM42 has been "around the corner" for about a year now...

smp

[Massimo Gnerucci]

(09-22-2017 10:53 AM)smp Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 01:07 AM)Jlouis Wrote:  DM42 is around the corner....

Ha! The DM42 has been "around the corner" for about a year now...

smp

Strange, I have one in my hands since last may...

[Ángel Martin]

(09-22-2017 11:11 AM)Massimo Gnerucci Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 10:53 AM)smp Wrote:  Ha! The DM42 has been "around the corner" for about a year now...

Strange, I have one in my hands since last may...

So do I, and it's all it was touted to be so far.... exceeded expectations.