Solve example on various calculators
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12-10-2023, 03:19 AM
(This post was last modified: 12-10-2023 03:35 AM by C.Ret.)
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RE: Solve example on various calculators
I have only had my Ti-30X PRO for less than ten days and I discovered this astonishing calculator which is neither graphic, nor programmable nor CAS. But very well made, the only criticism is its screen which seems a little small to me compared to those to which I have become accustomed.
A CAS machine allows us to understand what is happening here and provides a way to obtain the three solutions using a polynomial resolution module. In blue the plot of the function \( f(x)=(x+1)\times\sqrt{x^2-2x-1}\). This function is the product of two polynomials, the second of which is under a square root: \( f(x)=(x+1)\times\sqrt{p(x)}\) The pale yellow area is the region where the function f(x) is not defined, because the polynomial \( p(x)=x^2-2x-1\) under the radical gives a negative value \(p(x)<0\). As \( √(p(x))=0 \) is possible if and only if \( p(x)=0 \), the roots of \(f(x)\) are the same as the roots of the polynomial \(g(x)=(x+1)(x ^2-2x-1)\) whose trace is in red on the figure. The polynomial \(g(x)=x^3-x^2-3x-1\) is of the third degree and its three roots can be obtained with the POLY-SOLV module. These are the same roots as the line \(x+1\) and the parabola \(x²-2x-1\) whose traces are in green on the figure.That is to say, as Albert Chan already told us, the exact values of the roots are -1, 1-√2 and 1+√2. Like Irdhead when I use the numeric solver module (NUM-SOLV) I only get the roots -.41421 and 2.41421 by entering the exact guesses 1±√2 respectively. Other guesses inevitably lead to a No Sign Change Error. I observe the same thing on my NUMWORKS which also can only find the three roots using the degree 3 polynomial trick and cannot numerically find the roots 1±√2 with its general equation solver when the radical is used. All this seems completely natural to me, I do not know of any numerical root resolution algorithm which does not need the function to be defined, continuous or differentiable on either side of each root. |
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Solve example on various calculators - lrdheat - 12-09-2023, 02:38 AM
RE: Solve example on various calculators - Albert Chan - 12-09-2023, 01:19 PM
RE: Solve example on various calculators - lrdheat - 12-09-2023, 03:04 PM
RE: Solve example on various calculators - C.Ret - 12-09-2023, 06:19 PM
RE: Solve example on various calculators - lrdheat - 12-09-2023, 07:24 PM
RE: Solve example on various calculators - Marco Polo - 12-09-2023, 10:08 PM
RE: Solve example on various calculators - C.Ret - 12-10-2023 03:19 AM
RE: Solve example on various calculators - Gene222 - 12-12-2023, 04:21 PM
RE: Solve example on various calculators - lrdheat - 12-10-2023, 04:32 AM
RE: Solve example on various calculators - carey - 12-10-2023, 09:27 AM
RE: Solve example on various calculators - Albert Chan - 12-10-2023, 04:05 PM
RE: Solve example on various calculators - lrdheat - 12-10-2023, 02:28 PM
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