CAS diff() giving incorrect results
09-22-2021, 07:10 PM (This post was last modified: 09-23-2021 02:57 AM by Wes Loewer.)
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 Wes Loewer Senior Member Posts: 344 Joined: Jan 2014
CAS diff() giving incorrect results
A couple of years ago I posted about a problem with the diff() command (https://www.hpmuseum.org/forum/thread-13532.html). The problem still exists in the most recent firmware.

I guess I had forgotten about the issue because I ran into the problem again yesterday, only it's worse than I original thought. The problem arises when you try to evaluate a derivative at a value, which is something that frequently comes up in calculus and physics.

For instance, evaluating the 2nd derivative of x^3 at x=4.

diff(x^3,x,2)|x = 4

which should evaluate to 6*x|x=4 which is 24. However, the CAS substitutes 4 in for x BEFORE differentiating, so the expression is interpreted as

diff(4^3,4,2) = diff(64,4,2)

which is meaningless.

Even worse than no answer is giving the wrong answer. If the value of x contains pi, then you get incorrect results.

diff(x^3+π^4,x)|x = π

should result in 3*x^2|x=π which is 3*π^2. Instead, the line is interpreted as

diff(π^3+π^4,π)

and now π is treated as a variable. So the result is 3*π^2+4*π^3.

This issue came to light yesterday when I was checking my test answer key and entered this (using primes which is equivalent to diff).

(x^2*cos(x))''|x = π

evaluated to -2 instead of π^2-2. I assumed that I had made some silly mistake in my work by hand. It took several repeated attempts before I concluded that I was correct and the calculator was wrong.

I realize I could use the d/dx template which works correctly, but there is no template for 2nd or higher order derivatives and

(∂(∂(x^2*cos(x),x),x)|(x = π))

looks really awkward (especially in Textbook mode) and using the ' (primes) is so very convenient. It's really an order of operations issue in which |x=a should be applied AFTER the diff() command has completed, not BEFORE.

And it seems only natural that the HP "Prime" should be able to correctly work with "primes". « Next Oldest | Next Newest »

 Messages In This Thread CAS diff() giving incorrect results - Wes Loewer - 09-22-2021 07:10 PM RE: CAS diff() giving incorrect results - parisse - 09-22-2021, 07:26 PM RE: CAS diff() giving incorrect results - Wes Loewer - 09-23-2021, 06:20 PM RE: CAS diff() giving incorrect results - toml_12953 - 09-23-2021, 07:26 PM RE: CAS diff() giving incorrect results - Albert Chan - 09-24-2021, 10:48 AM RE: CAS diff() giving incorrect results - Wes Loewer - 09-24-2021, 04:28 PM RE: CAS diff() giving incorrect results - Albert Chan - 09-24-2021, 05:23 PM RE: CAS diff() giving incorrect results - Wes Loewer - 09-24-2021, 07:59 PM RE: CAS diff() giving incorrect results - parisse - 09-25-2021, 04:04 PM RE: CAS diff() giving incorrect results - Albert Chan - 09-25-2021, 05:03 PM RE: CAS diff() giving incorrect results - Albert Chan - 09-26-2021, 12:04 PM

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