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(HP41) Nov64d setup not working ("gamma" not executable)
09-02-2021, 11:08 AM
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(HP41) Nov64d setup not working ("gamma" not executable)
Hello,

I have tried to make this config in attachment in my Nov64d (all is running in the emulator V41 with the latest modules from Angel and ROMs from the HP41CL internet page; the GAMMA function is in it and can be used).

Programming process of Nov64d is fine under Win10 (linux/wine was not successfull).

symptom for now: the HP41CX with the Nov64d cannot execute the function GAMMA.

I am in contact with Diego and he cannot build a functional config for the SandMath (on NoV-64d and Clonix-D).
"configurations to no avail, even with just the SnadMath and no other modules installed or loaded."

May be some users here have already find out the correct config/version set-up for this
module combinations?
Remarks/recommendations are welcome.

(that is my first try of module programming into Nov64d)


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09-02-2021, 12:04 PM
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RE: (HP41) Nov64d setup not working ("gamma" not executable)
Hi Floppy,

since it is the first module you are programming, you could perhaps try to program one of the standard HP modules - just to make sure everything (the hardware) is working. Have you tried selecting Hepax 4H? I do not know by heart, but if I am remembering correctly: some module need this variant.

Note: if you are on Linux you could have a look at NutStudio.

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09-02-2021, 12:39 PM
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Have you tried the HEPAX 4H version ? ... if not, please try it.
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09-02-2021, 03:15 PM (This post was last modified: 09-02-2021 04:20 PM by floppy.)
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RE: (HP41) Nov64d setup not working ("gamma" not executable)
(09-02-2021 12:04 PM)kj.vandelooij Wrote:  Hi Floppy,
since it is the first module you are programming, you could perhaps try to program one of the standard HP modules - just to make sure everything (the hardware) is working. Have you tried selecting Hepax 4H? I do not know by heart, but if I am remembering correctly: some module need this variant.
Note: if you are on Linux you could have a look at NutStudio.
Cheers,
Kees Jan
Hello Jan,
Hello Sylvain,
I just installed NutStudio, had a look at the manual, and I am impressed. I will have a look the next weeks.
I am not programming a module, just uploading existing modules in Nov64d ( a user thing; no creativity here).

Last info from Diego: HEPAX cannot be used in parallel to LIB44 and SM44 and Advantage. Not enough pages.

Looks like the ClonixD setup in attachment has to be used (without HEPAX).
So far, with the new ClonixD setup in attachment, I can execute "gamma" but cannot execute "solve". Is the Advantage uploaded in the setup in attachment? I am not sure..

Solve can be executed in my V41 setup (in the advantage module see screen copy in attachment). But is not seen in the modules uploaded into the HP41CX. Perhaps we missed the upload of the Advantage according the setup?

If you push me, I will make the "H4 option" during a new programming (then the next question would be why I had the information HEPAX cannot be used with SM44 and LIB44 and Advantage in a Nov64).


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09-02-2021, 07:01 PM
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RE: (HP41) Nov64d setup not working ("gamma" not executable)
I have reproduced your setup with the last ROM versions, coming from Monte website → rom_files_210731.zip
Downloaded the latest application package from Diego → Latest SW Update 20201016 (ClonixConfig v.6.1)
Unzip ClonixConfig zip file, then copied the ROM files (LIBRARY4, SMAT41..44, HLMAT41..44) to the to the ClonixConfig folder overwriting existing ones.
Then I started ClonixConfig61.exe, loaded the same ROMs as you, used the K149/BC-150 programmer, inserted the NoV-64d (setup as a Clonix-D) module into my HP-41CX-HN.
CAT 2 shows:
Code:
-TIME  2C
-CX TIME
-SNDMTH'4x4
-HL MATH+
-EXT FCN 2D
-CX EXT FCN
Now give me the exact instructions that you want me to do to test your issue.
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09-03-2021, 05:03 AM
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RE: (HP41) Nov64d setup not working ("gamma" not executable)
Hi all,

Already commented with OP, the problem relies mainly on my lack of knowledge about the (many) new modules, their requirements and interactions.

I'm mostly a (pure) hardware guy, and the number of possible combinations (permutations?) among the increasing number of modules exceeds by far what I (anyone?) can check to verify that no compatibility/requirements issues may arise.

In this particular case, the problem is way simpler: SandMath module is composed by SandMath *and* HL Math.

I didn't know that until yesterday and therefore my previous attempts to make it work into NoV-64d failed because I only loaded SMAT41-44; hence I misled the OP for the last few days. My bad. :-(

Again, this forum is THE place to find answers. ;-)

Thanks guys!

Diego.

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09-03-2021, 07:09 AM
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RE: (HP41) Nov64d setup not working ("gamma" not executable)
(09-02-2021 12:39 PM)Sylvain Cote Wrote:  Have you tried the HEPAX 4H version ? ... if not, please try it.
Sylvain
I tried. GAMMA still "NONEXISTENT".

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09-03-2021, 08:28 AM (This post was last modified: 09-03-2021 10:08 AM by floppy.)
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RE: (HP41) Nov64d setup not working ("gamma" not executable)
Thanks Sylvian for the offer to support.
Lets go back from the start before I make more mess around.

Background:

- beginner who never has made any Clonix/Nov setup; this is the first (methodology unknown; automatic tools for setup check unknown; methodology for choosing Bnk&Page# in Nov64d not known; libraries conflict situations unknown = knowledge missing and has to be increased the next weeks and months)
- programs running in V41 with available librairies (see post #1) on a Linux 64bits PC

Hardware at hand:
- HP41CX
- HP-IL connector (& pilbox etc) in Port3
- X-memory (double) in Port 2 (XEQ "EMDIR" give 600 as result)
- Nov64d in Port 1
- PicKit2
(all tested and so far working fine)

Target: make a program, running in V41, now running in a CX; specific functions
- "SOLVE" from Advantage (in assembler) or optional "SOL" from Math (=not so quick like SOLVE from Advantage)
- "GAMMA" from SandMath44

Step1: identify the modules to be uploaded into the Nov64d (so far identified; no HEPAX possible with so much math modules)
(all below for "GAMMA"? to be confirmed)
- SMAT41
- SMAT42
- SMAT43
- SMAT44
- LIBRARY4
(below for "SOLVE"? to be confirmed)
- ADVL1-1B
- ADVU1-1B
- ADVU2-1B
- HLMAT41
- HLMAT42
- HLMAT43
- HLMAT44

Step2: identify the Bnk&Page# where to put these 12 modules

Any support for the Step1 and 2 is welcome.

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09-03-2021, 11:14 AM (This post was last modified: 11-23-2021 09:13 PM by floppy.)
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RE: (HP41) Nov64d setup not working ("gamma" not executable)
STOP. No further support needed (for now).
The configuration in attachment works.
I can use my programm, I made in V41 and which had GAMMA (SandMath44) and SOLVE (Advantage), now in my HP41CX hardware with Nov64d in Port1.

So now, if you want to go into mathematic with your HP41:
- buy a Nov64d at Diego https://clonix41.org/
- use that configuration in the attachment and programm the Nov64d (as Clonix-D) with it
You will be happy.


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11-23-2021, 06:29 PM
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RE: (HP41) Nov64d setup not working ("gamma" not executable)
Hi,

I tried the configuration with my very new NOV-64d, with "Module Type: NoV-64(d)" instead of "Clonix-D". But it does not work. The selected RAM are not listed in catalog 2 of my HP41CX. Does anybody know, what I make wrong?

Greetings
Uli

(09-03-2021 11:14 AM)floppy Wrote:  STOP. No further support needed (for now).
The configuration in attachment works.
I can use my programm, I made in V41 and which had GAMMA (SandMath44) and SOLVE (Advantage), now in my HP41CX hardware with Nov64d in Port1.

So now, if you want to go into mathematic with your HP41:
- buy a Nov64d at Diego https://clonix41.org/
- use that configuration in the attachment and programm the Nov64d with it
You will be happy.
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11-23-2021, 07:36 PM (This post was last modified: 11-23-2021 07:44 PM by Sylvain Cote.)
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(11-23-2021 06:29 PM)Uli Wrote:  I tried the configuration with my very new NOV-64d, with "Module Type: NoV-64(d)" instead of "Clonix-D".
But it does not work. The selected RAM are not listed in catalog 2 of my HP41CX. Does anybody know, what I make wrong?

Hello Uli,

By default, the NoV-64d module include the HEPAX ROM (4 bank switched pages of 4K) and 16K of QROM configured as HEPAX RAM.
Those RAM pages are normally managed with the functions from the HEPAX ROM.
Code:
HEPROOM  → should return 2610 registers in X on an empty HEPAX RAM
HEPDIR   → should return H:DIR EMPTY with 2610 registers in X on an empty HEPAX RAM

Sylvain

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11-23-2021, 09:12 PM (This post was last modified: 11-23-2021 09:15 PM by floppy.)
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(11-23-2021 06:29 PM)Uli Wrote:  Hi,
I tried the configuration with my very new NOV-64d, with "Module Type: NoV-64(d)" instead of "Clonix-D". But it does not work.

This is exactly what is described: the "Nov64-D" works ONLY as Clonix-D setup for the given configuration with all listed modules. Just use exactly the configuration given (if you need the math librairies etc.). However my previous post was perhaps not clear enough; I updated it.
You want to use a Nov-64d at best? you will have use another configuration (HEPAX etc. in it). But here I am a bit short of knowledge: others should give you a configuration after you disclose your needs.

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11-24-2021, 07:07 PM
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RE: (HP41) Nov64d setup not working ("gamma" not executable)
Aha :-). That was not my question :-) But I like to talk about everything. Really: many thanks for the links to the HEPAX manuals. That will be my Christmas literature. :-)


(11-23-2021 07:36 PM)Sylvain Cote Wrote:  
(11-23-2021 06:29 PM)Uli Wrote:  I tried the configuration with my very new NOV-64d, with "Module Type: NoV-64(d)" instead of "Clonix-D".
But it does not work. The selected RAM are not listed in catalog 2 of my HP41CX. Does anybody know, what I make wrong?

Hello Uli,

By default, the NoV-64d module include the HEPAX ROM (4 bank switched pages of 4K) and 16K of QROM configured as HEPAX RAM.
Those RAM pages are normally managed with the functions from the HEPAX ROM.
Code:
HEPROOM  → should return 2610 registers in X on an empty HEPAX RAM
HEPDIR   → should return H:DIR EMPTY with 2610 registers in X on an empty HEPAX RAM

Sylvain

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11-24-2021, 07:09 PM
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RE: (HP41) Nov64d setup not working ("gamma" not executable)
I would never, never, never, never have thought of it on my own. It works and I dance around the table. Yes, I would like to use the mathematic programs.


(11-23-2021 09:12 PM)floppy Wrote:  
(11-23-2021 06:29 PM)Uli Wrote:  Hi,
I tried the configuration with my very new NOV-64d, with "Module Type: NoV-64(d)" instead of "Clonix-D". But it does not work.

This is exactly what is described: the "Nov64-D" works ONLY as Clonix-D setup for the given configuration with all listed modules. Just use exactly the configuration given (if you need the math librairies etc.). However my previous post was perhaps not clear enough; I updated it.
You want to use a Nov-64d at best? you will have use another configuration (HEPAX etc. in it). But here I am a bit short of knowledge: others should give you a configuration after you disclose your needs.
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11-24-2021, 07:20 PM
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Hi all,

I'm glad to know you finally got the set-up you need, Uli. ;-)

Enjoy!

Best from Caribbean.

Diego.

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11-24-2021, 07:44 PM
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I do really. Thanks Diego.
Have a nice time at that beautiful place.
Uli

(11-24-2021 07:20 PM)Diego Diaz Wrote:  Hi all,

I'm glad to know you finally got the set-up you need, Uli. ;-)

Enjoy!

Best from Caribbean.

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