exact results with roots

01242015, 01:29 PM
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exact results with roots
hi all,
I wonder if there is a way to get something like the "SQ()" function in HP50: For example I input √2 in CAS, then I press "ab/c" and get approx(), that's 1.414213..., but if I press again "ab/c" I get a fraction and not the root (√2) again, like it was in HP 50g, using SQ()... Please, help. If not, I hope this function could be added in a next firmware upgrade... cheers Salvo 

01242015, 01:32 PM
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RE: exact results with roots
Graph 3D  QPI  SolveSys 

01242015, 03:06 PM
(This post was last modified: 01242015 03:35 PM by salvomic.)
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(01242015 01:32 PM)Han Wrote: http://www.hpmuseum.org/forum/thread18.html yes, thank you! very interesting. Is there a way to use it with a matrix? :) ex. having a matrix with [[1, 1.414213...], [3.141592..., 1.7320...]] to get [[1, √2], [∏, √3]]... The program, as it is, give error... I found that we could use this method: 1. use mat2list with the matrix 2. use QPI 3. use list2mat; but this one require the matrix dimension I hope to get an automatic program for that... 

01242015, 06:23 PM
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(01242015 03:06 PM)salvomic Wrote:(01242015 01:32 PM)Han Wrote: http://www.hpmuseum.org/forum/thread18.html You can, except Home view by design forces all matrices to be numeric and does not allow symbolic objects. Since all PPL programs are considered to be "Home" programs, the entries inside each matrix will always be converted back to decimal form. You can get what you want using by converting over to a CAS program, though. Graph 3D  QPI  SolveSys 

01242015, 06:41 PM
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(01242015 06:23 PM)Han Wrote: You can, except Home view by design forces all matrices to be numeric and does not allow symbolic objects. Since all PPL programs are considered to be "Home" programs, the entries inside each matrix will always be converted back to decimal form. You can get what you want using by converting over to a CAS program, though. ok, thank you. salvo 

01252015, 04:16 PM
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any help to have a template for this?  I'm not so able for now with the new language...
(having a matrix selected) (matdim is a variable = matrix dimension)  mat2list (M) ;)  apply QPI program ;)  list2mat (M, matdim)  results (again the matrix but with QPI applied) :) Thank you in advance! 

01252015, 04:21 PM
(This post was last modified: 01252015 04:22 PM by Han.)
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(01252015 04:16 PM)salvomic Wrote: any help to have a template for this?  I'm not so able for now with the new language... Code: #cas Create a new program named qpimat and make sure it's a CAS program. Then type in the code above. Note that you must be in CAS view in order to see symbolic matrices. In Home view, qpimat does nothing. Graph 3D  QPI  SolveSys 

01252015, 05:56 PM
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(01252015 04:21 PM)Han Wrote: ... thank you a lot! I created a program "QPIMAT" with Connectivy Kit, pasted the code and sent to calc, it works well with a test matrix, writing "qpimat()" directly, but I cannot see it listed in Catalog User (I've only QPI): why? It's on Programs list... 

01252015, 10:33 PM
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(01252015 05:56 PM)salvomic Wrote: thank you a lot! It's technically a CAS function. Perhaps this is why it is not listed. In the CAS view, you can create functions; for example: f(x):=x^2. You can see that if all such functions were listed as programs, it can cause a lot of clutter. Perhaps this may change in the future... I have no idea. Graph 3D  QPI  SolveSys 

01252015, 10:39 PM
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RE: exact results with roots
(01252015 10:33 PM)Han Wrote: It's technically a CAS function. Perhaps this is why it is not listed. In the CAS view, you can create functions; for example: f(x):=x^2. You can see that if all such functions were listed as programs, it can cause a lot of clutter. Perhaps this may change in the future... I have no idea. yes, I understand. The problem is related to the fact we can't use "EXPORT" with #cas/#end structure, I think, so the function won't listed. I hope in the future could be a way to get that, as it's very useful! Thanks again! salvo 

03052015, 10:30 AM
(This post was last modified: 03052015 11:08 AM by salvomic.)
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(01252015 10:33 PM)Han Wrote: It's technically a CAS function. ... Han, please, is it possible to rationalize (symbolic representation) using QPI (on in other way) some "classical" irrational or transcendental expressions, like √π (1.77245385091), π^2 (9.86960440109), 2/π, 1/√π, golden ratio (0.618 033 988 749 894 = ((\sqrt(5) 1)/2), euler_gamma ...? thanks for info! Salvo ∫aL√0mic (IT9CLU) :: HP Prime 50g 41CX 71b 42s 39s 35s 12C 15C  DM42, DM41X  WP34s Prime Soft. Lib 

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