HP Prime - EOL

[MNH]

If I remember correctly, the HP 48 was released in 1990, and EOL was 2000. That's a 10-year lifespan. Because the HP Prime was released in 2013, is EOL scheduled for 2023? I'm considering buying an HP Prime.

[rprosperi]

(04-10-2021 07:23 PM)MNH Wrote:  If I remember correctly, the HP 48 was released in 1990, and EOL was 2000. That's a 10-year lifespan. Because the HP Prime was released in 2013, is EOL scheduled for 2023? I'm considering buying an HP Prime.

The 48SX was introduced in 1990 and the 48GX was discontinued in 2003, so a bit longer.

Product EOL is never announced years ahead of schedule, even if it were known that far ahead, which almost never happens. It certainly has not been announced for the Prime!

If you want to use a Prime, get one. They will only go up in price, not down. A product's price dropping is typically to clear the channels when a new replacement product is coming, so retailers have empty shelves and a real reason to buy the new models when those new ones are introduced.

When the Prime is discontinued, you can assume the price for the them will rise pretty quickly, as that will be the end of the line for the end of a long famous line.

[mfleming]

Another thing to keep in mind is that past models went EOL when the chips inside did so. The Prime G2 was a recent hardware refresh so it should be good for a while.

[MNH]

(04-10-2021 08:22 PM)mfleming Wrote:  Another thing to keep in mind is that past models went EOL when the chips inside did so. The Prime G2 was a recent hardware refresh so it should be good for a while.

Excellent! I was just chatting with HP on their website concerning purchasing an HP Prime. They told me We no longer have HP Prime Calculators available. You may try checking to any of local/retail store near you. Why do they offer six calculators on their website, not including the Prime?

Also, is $139.99 a good price for the Prime (Product description
2AP18AA#ABA, Item model number 2AP18AA#B1S) on Amazon? Why does one end in ABA and the other in B1S?

[rprosperi]

(04-10-2021 09:31 PM)MNH Wrote:  Excellent! I was just chatting with HP on their website concerning purchasing an HP Prime. They told me We no longer have HP Prime Calculators available. You may try checking to any of local/retail store near you. Why do they offer six calculators on their website, not including the Prime?

Also, is $139.99 a good price for the Prime (Product description
2AP18AA#ABA, Item model number 2AP18AA#B1S) on Amazon? Why does one end in ABA and the other in B1S?

This is one of the great all-time unanswered questions, up there with 'what is dark matter?' and 'where does dark energy come from?'. Speculation is that they don't carry it there at the request of some of their larger resellers, but that's just guessing.

The "#???" is a region code for the root product model. These 2 codes are described in this post: https://www.hpmuseum.org/forum/thread-15386.html.

Note: Even if you don't care about the items in the pkg, where the warranty is from does matter, if you need to have HP service the device. For example, if you live in USA and your product does not end with "#ABA", it is considered 'grey market' and HP US will not provide warranty service for it if needed.

If buying the right product for where you live costs a few dollers more, IMHO it's worth it, even though the odds of needing service are indeed low.

I'd say $139.99 is a good price. The price for new Prime devices from reliable vendors really doesn't vary much. You may find a better price on eBay, but they are usually not authorized so your warranty again may be a problem.

[OlidaBel]

(04-10-2021 07:23 PM)MNH Wrote:  If I remember correctly, the HP 48 was released in 1990, and EOL was 2000. That's a 10-year lifespan. Because the HP Prime was released in 2013, is EOL scheduled for 2023? I'm considering buying an HP Prime.

No idea...

I'm a very new Prime user, and surprised by your question ;-)
I would like to know if the official manual is still up to date and consistent with the current firmware, especially for a newbee

PDF : "HP PRIME GRAPHING CALCULATOR 9.36 MB, Second Edition: September 2016 , 657 pages.

[KeithB]

Generally, the calculators inbuilt help is more up-to-date than the manual, which is out of date.

[Didier Lachieze]

(04-15-2021 12:28 PM)OlidaBel Wrote:  PDF : "HP PRIME GRAPHING CALCULATOR 9.36 MB, Second Edition: September 2016 , 657 pages.

There is the Third Edition, 761 pages, distributed with the HP Prime Virtual calculator and, I think, on the CD with a new HP Prime:

Third Edition: December 2017
First Edition: July 2015
Document Part Number: 813269-003

You can also find it on hpcalc.org.

But I agree with KeithB, the calculator built-in help has the most up-to-date content.

[OlidaBel]

(04-15-2021 02:26 PM)Didier Lachieze Wrote:  There is the Third Edition, 761 pages, distributed with the HP Prime Virtual calculator and, I think, on the CD with a new HP Prime:

Third Edition: December 2017
First Edition: July 2015
Document Part Number: 813269-003

You can also find it on hpcalc.org.

But I agree with KeithB, the calculator built-in help has the most up-to-date content.

I even didn't remark there was a CD in the !$*# package... ;-)
Very surprised that the HP website is not up to date.
Thank you Didier, I could get it from hpcalc.org.
The built-in help, mmh yes, but only for a point of detail.

[OlidaBel]

(04-15-2021 01:45 PM)KeithB Wrote:  Generally, the calculators inbuilt help is more up-to-date than the manual, which is out of date.

Thank you Keith.
This powerful computer deserve also a comprehensive (paper!) manual ;-)

[OlidaBel]

A double check on the recently opened package : no CD off course and a _very_ little text on the backside :
http://www.hp.com/go/hpprimesupport where you find the 1st edition and 2nd edition.
The 3rd (2017) edition is missing at this address.

[ijabbott]

(04-15-2021 02:26 PM)Didier Lachieze Wrote:  There is the Third Edition, 761 pages, distributed with the HP Prime Virtual calculator and, I think, on the CD with a new HP Prime:

Third Edition: December 2017
First Edition: July 2015
Document Part Number: 813269-003

You can also find it on hpcalc.org.

Another good place to find it is on literature.hpcalc.org. In multiple languages, too!

[cdmackay]

Tim once dumped out the internal help pages, and there was some work done to present them nicely:

https://www.hpmuseum.org/forum/thread-11458.html

Does anyone know if this ever got updated? That would be nice.

[jonmoore]

(04-17-2021 05:39 PM)cdmackay Wrote:  Tim once dumped out the internal help pages, and there was some work done to present them nicely:

https://www.hpmuseum.org/forum/thread-11458.html

Does anyone know if this ever got updated? That would be nice.

I could be wrong, but I believe this makes up the majority of the new pagination in V3 of the official guide (I've only quickly scanned, but section 23 appears to have everything barring the examples). It's obviously not bang up to date as V3 was released around the same time as the G2 but barring updates to the CAS in the intervening years, it all appears to be there.

[cyrille de brébisson]

Hello,

All the help is in the .hpresource files which are provided with the emulator.
I know that I gave some code at some point to someone that wanted to exploit them...

These files are generated from .xml files... (english one attached)..

Anyone interested in doing anything in this space should contact me and I will be more than happy to help them...
Using directly the .hpresource file would be the best long term solution as they are official release files... the .xml files are internal stuff...

Cyrille

[cdmackay]

thank you both!