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ben.titmus · (This post was last modified: 11-21-2022 12:28 PM by Gene.)

The WP43 developers must unfortunately announce that SwissMicros no longer intend to produce a WP43 calculator. The decision has been made by SwissMicros to end the collaboration due to past and recent behaviours [edit by moderator] causing the concern that the WP43 project could negatively impact the reputation of SwissMicros.

The majority of the WP43 developers (Martin, Pauli, and Ben) have asked to join the C43 team and this has been accepted. No further development work will be done on WP43 directly by the combined C43 team who will instead increase their effort towards C43.

There will undoubtedly be a lot of questions but please be patient in waiting for answers as those involved work out what this means for their projects. Rest assured that we are dedicated to continue to bring C43 to full production quality.

Massimo Gnerucci · 11-20-2022, 05:45 PM

So I will end up (when it will be finally delivered) with a calculator with no update path.
Nice! :(

pascal_meheut · 11-20-2022, 06:51 PM

This is sad but not surprising unfortunately.

Luigi Vampa · 11-20-2022, 07:24 PM

Mixed feelings

**Gene** · 11-20-2022, 07:49 PM

My statement to those reading this thread:

Do not allow personalities to enter this thread please. We have relative peace here in this discussion forum, but if this thread or others devolve into name calling or worse, I will exercise my moderation abilities. PLEASE do not cause me to do that.

Remember to be polite. I would ask no criticisms be made of individuals or companies please.

Thank you in advance.
Gene

Massimo Gnerucci · 11-20-2022, 08:04 PM

I summon the vast power of moderation! :-)

Dilbert (8/31/00), more or less...

SammysHP · 11-20-2022, 08:47 PM

It would be great if someone could summarize what events lead to this situation for people like me who were not involved in previous discussions.

Paul Dale · 11-20-2022, 08:54 PM

(11-20-2022 05:45 PM)Massimo Gnerucci Wrote: So I will end up (when it will be finally delivered) with a calculator with no update path.
Nice!

You'll end up with a pre-production prototype for a device that was never built. Such units are extremely collectable. Think of it as being like a 95C.

Yeah, not much consolation.

Pauli

RJvM · 11-20-2022, 08:55 PM

The C43 team has been working on documentation that could be used as an addendum to Walter's masterpieces (the OM and RM manuals). We now intend to develop an online and perhaps an on board help system as well as a basic user manual. The new manual will be fully open source and anyone from the community wanting to help with documentation will be welcome to contribute.

RJvM, C43 team member and long time HP calculator collector

Massimo Gnerucci · (This post was last modified: 11-20-2022 09:14 PM by Massimo Gnerucci.)

(11-20-2022 08:54 PM)Paul Dale Wrote:
(11-20-2022 05:45 PM)Massimo Gnerucci Wrote: So I will end up (when it will be finally delivered) with a calculator with no update path.
Nice!

You'll end up with a pre-production prototype for a device that was never built. Such units are extremely collectable. Think of it as being like a 95C.

Yeah, not much consolation.

Pauli

Something for my sons, if I ever had any.

Steve Simpkin · 11-20-2022, 09:23 PM

There is additional discussion of this on the SwissMicros forum.
https://forum.swissmicros.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3377

Paul Dale · (This post was last modified: 11-21-2022 12:29 PM by Gene.)

I won't go into much detail about the lead up. It's honestly not that interesting.

Negotiations with SM have been difficult. Both sides had demands that were immovable. Mostly, it was small points. Having the name WP 43 instead of DM 43 or WP 43S. The choice of symbol on the division key almost torpedoed everything. These were worked through and compromises made by all parties.

Then there was an event at Allschwil which I've only heard about third hand and thus will not comment further.

The final sticking point was SM wanting to avoid potential reputation damage [ edit by moderator].

Jaco@cocoon-creations.com · 11-20-2022, 09:56 PM

(11-20-2022 05:45 PM)Massimo Gnerucci Wrote: So I will end up (when it will be finally delivered) with a calculator with no update path.
Nice!

Should you be willing to install C43 on your pilot unit, you can use the C43's KEYS menu to select a compatible layout to use the pilot as it is, including the f & g shifts and the operators on the other side.

Massimo Gnerucci · 11-20-2022, 10:18 PM

(11-20-2022 09:56 PM)Jaco@cocoon-creations.com Wrote:
(11-20-2022 05:45 PM)Massimo Gnerucci Wrote: So I will end up (when it will be finally delivered) with a calculator with no update path.
Nice!

Should you be willing to install C43 on your pilot unit, you can use the C43's KEYS menu to select a compatible layout to use the pilot as it is, including the f & g shifts and the operators on the other side.

I suppose I'll have to follow this way, one day.
Thanks.

**Gene** · (This post was last modified: 11-21-2022 12:30 PM by Gene.)

I would like to ask that since [edit here] not all involved in this cahnge are participants on this forum, that any references to [edit] individuals be measured or better yet, not made at all.

Discussions can be made on the SM forum if necessary.

Not good to reference someone when they are not able to defend themselves.

Please.
Gene

mfleming · 11-21-2022, 03:47 AM

(11-20-2022 09:56 PM)Jaco@cocoon-creations.com Wrote: Should you be willing to install C43 on your pilot unit, you can use the C43's KEYS menu to select a compatible layout to use the pilot as it is, including the f & g shifts and the operators on the other side.

Pardon my thumping ignorance. I've seen fleeting references to the WP43S project but nothing of C43. Could someone provide a bit of background?

~Mark

**rprosperi** · 11-21-2022, 04:38 AM

C43 is a fork of WP43, created by Jaco Mostert, originally with the goal of accessing the WP43 feature set using the existing keyboard of the DM42 (existing keys with new surrounding bezel) to be able to start using some unique features of WP43 before a finished product was ready.

As other features were needed by Jaco (to do real work) additional enhancements were also added into C43, some of which which were slated to be included in WP43. C43 has several developers working with Jaco as well.

Website is here: https://classic43.com/Classic43/Home.html

Lots of information here, read up. (you and lots of other folks...)

Steve Simpkin · 11-21-2022, 05:25 AM

Is there a simulator of the latest C43 for Windows like there is for WP43?
If there is I can’t seem to find binaries for it.

Thomas_Sch · 11-21-2022, 06:54 AM

(11-21-2022 05:25 AM)Steve Simpkin Wrote: Is there a simulator of the latest C43 for Windows like there is for WP43?
If there is I can’t seem to find binaries for it.

The zip file from e.g. https://www.classic43.com/downloads/2022...elease.ZIP (currently latest release) also includes an folder "Simulator" containing the required files.
The folder "Hardware" is intended for the DM42.
Much more information and discussion around C43 you will find at the swissmicros forum in "WP43 Alternative key layout --> C43"

Steve Simpkin · 11-21-2022, 08:07 AM

(11-21-2022 06:54 AM)Thomas_Sch Wrote: The zip file from e.g. https://www.classic43.com/downloads/2022...elease.ZIP (currently latest release) also includes an folder "Simulator" containing the required files.
The folder "Hardware" is intended for the DM42.
Much more information and discussion around C43 you will find at the swissmicros forum in "WP43 Alternative key layout --> C43"

Thank you very much Thomas.