Mac OSX and PIL-box

[rprosperi]

(12-01-2021 01:29 AM)Steve Nichols Wrote:  Ilper is also the name of version 1.35.2 written for Linux in C using the curses library.

Steve

Interesting, sorry for my mistake. Where is this version of ilper available?

[Sylvain Cote]

(12-01-2021 04:27 AM)rprosperi Wrote:  

(12-01-2021 01:29 AM)Steve Nichols Wrote:  Ilper is also the name of version 1.35.2 written for Linux in C using the curses library.

Interesting, sorry for my mistake. Where is this version of ilper available?

TOS

[rprosperi]

(12-01-2021 01:25 PM)Sylvain Cote Wrote:  

(12-01-2021 04:27 AM)rprosperi Wrote:  Interesting, sorry for my mistake. Where is this version of ilper available?

TOS

Thanks Sylvain.

[Dave Frederickson]

(12-01-2021 01:25 PM)Sylvain Cote Wrote:  

(12-01-2021 04:27 AM)rprosperi Wrote:  Interesting, sorry for my mistake. Where is this version of ilper available?

TOS

How many versions of ILPer are there?

1. ILPer 2.2 for Windows by J-F Garnier
2. ILPer 2.4 for Windows by Christoph Giesselink. Similar to J-F's version
3. ILPer 1.35 for Windows by J-F Garnier. Earlier version written in VB, doesn't include the TCP/IP interface
4. ILPer 1.35.2 for Linux. A port of 1.35 by Christophe Gottheimer, also available on J-F's site.
5. pyILPER 1.8.3 for Linux, Windows, and macOS by Joachim Siebold. Includes a nice terminal emulation without the need for an 82164A.

[J-F Garnier]

(12-01-2021 02:18 PM)Dave Frederickson Wrote:  How many versions of ILPer are there?

1. ILPer 2.2 for Windows by J-F Garnier
2. ILPer 2.4 for Windows by Christoph Giesselink. Similar to J-F's version
3. ILPer 1.35 for Windows by J-F Garnier. Earlier version written in VB, doesn't include the TCP/IP interface
4. ILPer 1.35.2 for Linux. A port of 1.35 by Christophe Gottheimer, also available on J-F's site.
5. pyILPER 1.8.3 for Linux, Windows, and macOS by Joachim Siebold. Includes a nice terminal emulation without the need for an 82164A.

To be more exact:
1. ILPer 1.35 for Windows by J-F Garnier. Early version (2009) written in VB. Not recommended any more, except for documentation.
2. ILPer 2.x (currently 2.4) enhanced version for Windows by Christoph Giesselink.
3. ILPer 1.35.2 for Linux. A port of 1.35 by Christophe Gottheimer, available on TOS.
4. pyILPER Python version (currently 1.8.3) for Linux, Windows, and macOS by Joachim Siebold.

J-F

[Steve Nichols]

Is anyone using ILPer version 1.35.2 for Linux on a Mac?

Steve N.

[rprosperi]

(12-03-2021 03:51 AM)Steve Nichols Wrote:  Is anyone using ILPer version 1.35.2 for Linux on a Mac?

Steve N.

Probably not. I live on a PIL-Box and ILPer, and I never even heard of it (which means it is only rarely discussed here, if at all) but now that I see it's from 2012, that makes sense. As pyILPer is far richer, and works on both Linux and macOS, most of those folks use that.

[J-F Garnier]

(12-03-2021 04:28 AM)rprosperi Wrote:  I live on a PIL-Box and ILPer, and I never even heard of it (which means it is only rarely discussed here, if at all)

Latest update from Christophe this year here.
He mentioned he stopped any HP41-HP-IL development, this means ILPer-Linux is no more maintained.

See also this older thread.

I'm not (at all) a Linux or Mac user, so I didn't follow this version carefully.

J-F

[Dave Frederickson]

(12-03-2021 04:28 AM)rprosperi Wrote:  

(12-03-2021 03:51 AM)Steve Nichols Wrote:  Is anyone using ILPer version 1.35.2 for Linux on a Mac?

Steve N.

Probably not. I live on a PIL-Box and ILPer, and I never even heard of it (which means it is only rarely discussed here, if at all) but now that I see it's from 2012, that makes sense. As pyILPer is far richer, and works on both Linux and macOS, most of those folks use that.

A cool thing about pyILPER is that it can act as a front-end for LIFUTILS.
https://github.com/bug400/lifutils

When a device is disabled in a tab, say a drive, and a catalog item is right-clicked, a menu of LIFUTIL functions available for that item is presented. Works with drives, files, etc. LIFUTILS must be installed which can be verified by a menu item. Also, Python must be installed.

[Egan Ford]

(12-03-2021 03:51 AM)Steve Nichols Wrote:  Is anyone using ILPer version 1.35.2 for Linux on a Mac?

Steve N.

Yes. With patches. Details: http://sense.net/~egan/ilper/

[Steve Nichols]

(12-03-2021 04:28 AM)rprosperi Wrote:  

(12-03-2021 03:51 AM)Steve Nichols Wrote:  Is anyone using ILPer version 1.35.2 for Linux on a Mac?

Steve N.

Probably not. I live on a PIL-Box and ILPer, and I never even heard of it (which means it is only rarely discussed here, if at all) but now that I see it's from 2012, that makes sense. As pyILPer is far richer, and works on both Linux and macOS, most of those folks use that.

I just installed pyILPer on my iMac, and you all are right. It is very useful, and it runs on a Mac. At this point Linux ilper is mostly useful as a way to research how software is written for the PIL-Box. It's in C, and I am a C programmer from way back.

I also discovered that the OS X version I am running, 10.14.6, includes the correct driver from Apple. So, as someone said, pyILPer just works.

Thanks for your suggestions.

Steve N.

[Dave Frederickson]

(12-03-2021 09:54 PM)Steve Nichols Wrote:  I just installed pyILPer on my iMac, and you all are right.

Did you go with Anaconda or just Miniconda?

Dave

[Steve Nichols]

(12-03-2021 10:22 PM)Dave Frederickson Wrote:  

(12-03-2021 09:54 PM)Steve Nichols Wrote:  I just installed pyILPer on my iMac, and you all are right.

Did you go with Anaconda or just Miniconda?

Dave

I am using Miniconda. Why?

Steve N.

[Dave Frederickson]

(12-04-2021 07:13 PM)Steve Nichols Wrote:  

(12-03-2021 10:22 PM)Dave Frederickson Wrote:  Did you go with Anaconda or just Miniconda?

Dave

I am using Miniconda. Why?

Steve N.

Just that it's not necessary to install the full blown Anaconda just to run pyILPER.

[Steve Nichols]

Is the emulated HP-IL HP82161/HP9114 intended to be accessed via device dependent commands? I ask this because I have a few BASIC/FOCAL programs that do this and I recently got some strange results from a program that was very reliable on physical hardware. The program read all nulls when reading the directory, but got mostly valid info from the header record. This same program got good data in prior runs. Could it be corruption in my HP-71?

Forgive me if this is off topic for this thread.

Steve N.

[J-F Garnier]

(12-09-2021 05:43 PM)Steve Nichols Wrote:  Is the emulated HP-IL HP82161/HP9114 intended to be accessed via device dependent commands? I ask this because I have a few BASIC/FOCAL programs that do this and I recently got some strange results from a program that was very reliable on physical hardware. The program read all nulls when reading the directory, but got mostly valid info from the header record.

The mass storage emulation is using the same protocol (the so-called "Filbert" protocol) than the HP82161/HP9114 and is compatible with mass storage operations of known controllers (HP41/71/75, HP Portable). However, the implementation may be slightly different, so if you found some deviations vs the real hardware, it's interesting to know.
Please describe your BASIC/FOCAL programs and results, preferably in a separate thread.

J-F

[Steve Nichols]

(12-09-2021 07:05 PM)J-F Garnier Wrote:  

(12-09-2021 05:43 PM)Steve Nichols Wrote:  Is the emulated HP-IL HP82161/HP9114 intended to be accessed via device dependent commands? I ask this because I have a few BASIC/FOCAL programs that do this and I recently got some strange results from a program that was very reliable on physical hardware. The program read all nulls when reading the directory, but got mostly valid info from the header record.

The mass storage emulation is using the same protocol (the so-called "Filbert" protocol) than the HP82161/HP9114 and is compatible with mass storage operations of known controllers (HP41/71/75, HP Portable). However, the implementation may be slightly different, so if you found some deviations vs the real hardware, it's interesting to know.
Please describe your BASIC/FOCAL programs and results, preferably in a separate thread.

J-F

Is there a thread you would like to suggest?

Steve N.

[rprosperi]

(12-10-2021 02:09 AM)Steve Nichols Wrote:  

(12-09-2021 07:05 PM)J-F Garnier Wrote:  The mass storage emulation is using the same protocol (the so-called "Filbert" protocol) than the HP82161/HP9114 and is compatible with mass storage operations of known controllers (HP41/71/75, HP Portable). However, the implementation may be slightly different, so if you found some deviations vs the real hardware, it's interesting to know.
Please describe your BASIC/FOCAL programs and results, preferably in a separate thread.

J-F

Is there a thread you would like to suggest?

Steve N.

J-F meant you should create a new thread for this topic.

[cruff]

I've just installed pyilper using the miniconda method (which completed cleanly) on BigSur 11.6.5. When I attempt to start pyilper I get the following fatal error:

TypeError: invalid result from cls_AspectLayout.heightForWidth(), 'float' object cannot be interpreted as an integer

Has anyone seen this before?

goldfinch% conda info

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[Sylvain Cote]

I am not sure that your installation went that well.

My config ...

macOS Monterey 12.3.1 on a MBP 15" 2019

uname -a

Code:

Darwin Kernel Version 21.4.0: Fri Mar 18 00:45:05 PDT 2022; root:xnu-8020.101.4~15/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64

conda info

Code:

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