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01-19-2014, 05:59 AM
Post: #61
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(01-18-2014 10:34 PM)dizzy Wrote:  I have added absolute page numbers at the bottom of each page, partly to fill the space, but also because I find it annoying without them. :-)

Absolute page numbers are an absolutely good idea. Smile

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01-19-2014, 07:25 AM
Post: #62
RE: Advanced User's Reference - printed version
Hi dizzy,

Any chance of adding myself to the list for a copy as well?

Also, how much would the shipping cost be to Australia (I live near Sydney)?

Thanks,

Michael
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01-19-2014, 12:10 PM
Post: #63
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(01-19-2014 07:25 AM)Michael Lopez Wrote:  Hi dizzy,

Any chance of adding myself to the list for a copy as well?

Also, how much would the shipping cost be to Australia (I live near Sydney)?

Thanks,

Michael

PM sent.
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01-19-2014, 12:19 PM
Post: #64
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Thanks dizzy, have just responded to your PM.

Cheers,

Michael
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01-27-2014, 03:53 PM (This post was last modified: 01-27-2014 03:54 PM by dizzy.)
Post: #65
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The printers contacted me today to say that they can't spiral bind the manual, as it is too thick.

So the options are:

- Perfect bound paperback (about the same price as spiral bound)
- Hard back with cloth cover (~£16)
- Split into two volumes (~£16)

I've asked if they can do a discount on the splitting-up option, but they seem pretty rigid about quotes/prices, so I'm not too hopeful... anyway, I'll post when I have a reply.

Thoughts?
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01-27-2014, 06:21 PM
Post: #66
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(01-27-2014 03:53 PM)dizzy Wrote:  So the options are:

- Perfect bound paperback (about the same price as spiral bound)
- Hard back with cloth cover (~£16)
- Split into two volumes (~£16)

Thoughts?

In this case my preference would be split in two spiral bound. Presumably the ~£16 is in lieu of the original £10?

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01-27-2014, 09:33 PM
Post: #67
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(01-27-2014 06:21 PM)Terje Vallestad Wrote:  
(01-27-2014 03:53 PM)dizzy Wrote:  So the options are:

- Perfect bound paperback (about the same price as spiral bound)
- Hard back with cloth cover (~£16)
- Split into two volumes (~£16)

Thoughts?

In this case my preference would be split in two spiral bound. Presumably the ~£16 is in lieu of the original £10?

Cheers, Terje

Yep, £16 would be the new overall cost.

I think splitting is the way to go. Being able to open the manuals flat is invaluable. Once I've heard back from the printers, I think I'll send out an e-mail to see if we have agreement on the new cost.
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01-27-2014, 09:46 PM
Post: #68
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Two volumes spiral bound are more practical than hardcover even if the latter looks sleeker. In for 10, in for 16, or so the saying goes....
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01-27-2014, 11:13 PM
Post: #69
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I agree to go with two volumes spiral bound, it will be easier to use and btw this is what was offered previously on hpcalc.org.
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01-28-2014, 01:46 AM
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I also agree for the two volumes spiral bound.
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01-28-2014, 01:00 PM
Post: #71
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(01-27-2014 09:33 PM)dizzy Wrote:  Yep, £16 would be the new overall cost.

Two volumes, spiral bound, is okay by me too.

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01-28-2014, 01:05 PM
Post: #72
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Two volumes is fine.
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01-28-2014, 01:19 PM
Post: #73
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Spiral bound in two volumes would be preferable for me too.

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01-28-2014, 01:41 PM
Post: #74
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(01-28-2014 01:19 PM)Derek W Wrote:  Spiral bound in two volumes would be preferable for me too.

I'm also very much in favour of it.

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01-30-2014, 09:01 AM
Post: #75
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Also fine to go with 2 volumes.
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01-30-2014, 01:47 PM
Post: #76
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If you split it into 2 volumes, let me suggest that you include the table of contents and the index in BOTH of them.

Another option is to try to find a printer who can print it on thinner paper.

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01-30-2014, 02:22 PM
Post: #77
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I'm not sure if usual "copy shop" paper of less than 80g will hold up in (hopefully Wink daily use.
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01-31-2014, 01:52 PM
Post: #78
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(01-30-2014 01:47 PM)David Hayden Wrote:  If you split it into 2 volumes, let me suggest that you include the table of contents and the index in BOTH of them.

Another option is to try to find a printer who can print it on thinner paper.

Dave

I was going to split the contents/index between the two volumes, but I suppose including both in their entirety in both volumes is better.

I'm also hoping to split at chapter 4, which would make the first volume larger than the second... I'm not sure how the hpcalc.org version pages were distributed. I asked the printers if ~420 pages is okay for binding. I haven't heard back yet though.

While we're waiting, if any late comers want to order a copy of the manuals, please PM me.
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02-01-2014, 08:05 AM
Post: #79
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My split that I used for the manuals when I made them:

Volume 1: Table of Contents, Chapters 1, 2, 5, 6, Appendix A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, Index

Volume 2: Chapters 3, 4, Appendix I, J

It's pretty even and seems to be a reasonable grouping (Volume 1 is mostly programming information and volume 2 is mostly command references).
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02-01-2014, 06:01 PM
Post: #80
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(02-01-2014 08:05 AM)Eric Rechlin Wrote:  My split that I used for the manuals when I made them:

Volume 1: Table of Contents, Chapters 1, 2, 5, 6, Appendix A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, Index

Volume 2: Chapters 3, 4, Appendix I, J

It's pretty even and seems to be a reasonable grouping (Volume 1 is mostly programming information and volume 2 is mostly command references).

Thanks Eric.
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