Subforum in Spanish (Español)

[compsystems]

Sorry for my bad English

Hello, there are several Spanish-speaking users in this forum, in addition to many users throughout Latin America, please a subforum general (HP48, HP50, HPPRIME) is required in Spanish.

Thank you

[informach]

¡ Hi !, Compsystems:

This Forum has created por users, for English Language. I'm write, in the HP Spanish Forum, as Maké and you can participate, from ... http://h30467.www3.hp.com

Kind Regards.
informach.

[informach]

Hi!, Compsystems:

Is your opinion, but, the site, is correctly created, too, for calculators.

Best Regards.
informach.

[jrozsas]

In Portuguese: http://calculadorahpprime.maisforum.com/

[BartDB]

(04-10-2016 03:55 AM)compsystems Wrote:  Sorry for my bad English

Hello, there are several Spanish-speaking users in this forum, in addition to many users throughout Latin America, please a subforum general (HP48, HP50, HPPRIME) is required in Spanish.

Thank you

Si usted es un miembro de habla hispana y desea apoyar esta propuesta, por favor vote +1

gracias

+1

http://www.jaimeza.org

Good day,

I think more people on these forums (EDIT: I am referring to the HPMuseum.org forums) are able to communicate in English than in Spanish, many would lose out on interesting topics if they were in Spanish.

As far as I am aware, there are existing Spanish calculator forums - perhaps it would be possible to start a Spanish HP Prime sub-forum on one of those.

Also this forum was established by a private individual (located in the USA) as a facility for calculator enthusiasts to communicate and share ideas. It is up to him to decide - so if you wish to take it further, I think this thread belongs in the Forum Issues and Administration sub-forum.

Lastly I have no issues with other people's use of English - so no need to apologise for "bad" English.

(Footnote: the only time I have criticised is one particular non-native English user who thinks he has the right to criticise the language/spelling of "native" English users.
I use native in " " because people living in English speaking countries are not necessarily native English speakers).

These are my opinions of course, but explain why I vote No.

[BartDB]

(04-12-2016 04:36 PM)compsystems Wrote:  Arduino is an educational project that provides international support in his forum

STATISTICS Tuesday, April 12 2016
http://forum.arduino.cc

0: Italiano: 314,278 Posts, 24,249 Topics, ? members, http://forum.arduino.cc/index.php?board=34.0
1: Deutsch: 149,071 Posts, 13,807 Topics, ? members, http://forum.arduino.cc/index.php?board=31.0
2: Français 125,286 Posts, 12,756 Topics, ? members, http://forum.arduino.cc/index.php?board=33.0
3: Español 70,337 Posts, 11,197 Topics, ? members, http://forum.arduino.cc/index.php?board=32.0
4: Portugues: 17,584 Posts, 2,614 Topics
5: Nederlands: 8,060 Posts, 802 Topics
6: Scandinavia: 955 Posts, 188 Topics
7: India 740 Posts, 179 Topics
8: 中文 (Chinese): 25 Posts, 10 Topics

Note that the greatest contribution is not the global language (English).

In the main forums of http://forum.arduino.cc/ where the main language is English:
1,386,288 posts
189,737 topics

That is more than all the languages you listed combined.

(04-12-2016 04:36 PM)compsystems Wrote:  The Spanish language is the second most spoken language in the ocidental hemisphere, and the fourth worldwide
http://blog.esl-idiomas.com/blog/esl-es/...-el-mundo/

Interesting article. There are 6 lists in that article, English is no. 1 in 5 of the 6 lists.
More importantly for internet forums is the list for Internet Languages:
1. English (27.3%)
2. Chinese (22.6%)
3. Spanish (7.8%)

i.e. on the internet English is 3.5x more prevalent than Spanish.

[retoa]

Hello.

I speak italian, but I find the posts in a forum should be in an international language, a language everybody understands. If I were to publish my posts in italian there would be only a minority of people who could understand and answer.

I think every engineer, scientist, student in scientific branches, studies english in the school, some scientific books are only available in english. So english is the language that more people understand and speak.
This is not a literary forum, so it is not a big problem if the posts are not always grammatically correct.
Someone add to the post a translation in their language (french, spanish), this is very good, so other people can check if the question / answer is clear.

I also find very useful to have to read and wright in english, so I can always exercise it. If you don't use a language you will loose it.

Regards

Reto Ambrosini

[Ron Ross]

Actually Dave (the owner of this site) original intent was for a Hp calculator museum. That he has expanded to include the NEW Hp Prime was somewhat of a surprise to the many old timers here. And I don't speak for Dave either, but he does a pretty good job of moderation (with help from others too), and he would probably have to acquire even more help to moderate other languages (tempers flair, spam, inappropriate postings).
.
So, I suspect you are asking for a lot, to have him provide yet another forum, in a language he cannot moderate easily.

[Katie Wasserman]

I moved this thread to a a more appropriate forum for further discussion.

Personally, I think that introducing non-English language sub-forums is going to open a huge can of worms and complexity. Most people here are very patient with posters that have poor English skills and occasionally switch to their native language to ask an important question. I think that this is the way it should be.

[BartDB]

(04-13-2016 01:33 PM)compsystems Wrote:  American companies should offer support in 4 languages

United States, 325,899,110 population, English language
Brasil 208,335,562 population, Portuguese language
México 123,992,130 population, Spanish language
Colombia 49 034 000 population, Spanish language
Canadá 34,215,000 population, English/French language

Source
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Am%C3%A9rica

OK, I did not really want this to degenerate into an argument about the prevalence of languages.
However you continue to list incomplete information.
What about the UK and Australia? Not to mention Spain and Portugal?

Let me put another perspective on it:
List of countries where English is an official language
List of countries where Spanish is an official language
List of countries where Portuguese is an official language

The English list far exceeds that of other languages - this is not about native English speakers but what is the most common language that people can communicate in.

We may not like it, but that is how it is.

[EdS2]

Katie and retoa have the right answers! (It's not a lack of sympathy or a lack of respect, but a practical advantage to have a single-language forum. As pointed out, other forums are out there using other languages)

[Claudio L.]

(04-14-2016 08:21 AM)EdS2 Wrote:  Katie and retoa have the right answers! (It's not a lack of sympathy or a lack of respect, but a practical advantage to have a single-language forum. As pointed out, other forums are out there using other languages)

As another non-native english speaker, my opinion is also a big "no" to segregation by language. You can subdivide by calculator: fine, by technical subject: fine, by programming language: fine, but any non-technical issue is not a good reason to split, much less language or cultural issues.
I don't think anything good will come out from segregation, and I write this not to upset anybody, but so it's clear to Dave that even people who speak spanish as a native language don't agree with a spanish subforum, and if he creates one I will keep communicating in english out of respect to other members of this community, I believe they have earned that over the years.

About the number of people being "native speakers", just the fact India uses english as second language should put an end to any argument about that, so stop counting already.

Just my (strong) opinion in this subject.

[Guenter Schink]

(04-14-2016 03:47 PM)Claudio L. Wrote:  As another non-native english speaker, my opinion is also a big "no" to segregation by language.

+1

Günter

[Ángel Martin]

(04-13-2016 05:00 PM)Katie Wasserman Wrote:  Personally, I think that introducing non-English language sub-forums is going to open a huge can of worms and complexity. Most people here are very patient with posters that have poor English skills and occasionally switch to their native language to ask an important question. I think that this is the way it should be.

Agreed.