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toml_12953 · 07-12-2024, 01:33 AM

(07-11-2024 07:09 PM)Raymond Del Tondo Wrote:
(07-11-2024 09:27 AM)8031Brown Wrote: I don't use Python.
Problem solved.

He doesn't want the developers to spend a lot of time debugging Python on the Prime because he doesn't use it. To hell with the rest of us, I guess.

Jacob Wall · 07-12-2024, 04:17 AM

Good to see firmware is being worked on.

I have installed the BETA on both G1 and G2. G2 seems to be work fine with apps created on prior versions of firmware, based on my quick testing.

G1, still has the WAIT(-1) bug, whicih baffles me why it's still not getting fixed. Stuck on 2020-01-16 firmware version for G1 until that gets fixed.

StephenG1CMZ · 07-12-2024, 11:35 AM

(07-11-2024 06:26 PM)8031Brown Wrote:
(07-11-2024 05:25 PM)bxparks Wrote: You are not winning friends with this unfortunate choice of words. Those other people can tell YOU to go use another calculator if you don't like Python. (FYI, the use of capitalized words is a common substitute for BOLD or ITALICS in ascii-formatted text, because it's too difficult to remember which markup language is used for which websites. It does not mean that they are shouting at you.)

Once again. The Prime started out without Python. If I had wanted a calculator with Python, I would have bought a TI or a Casio, or even a NumWorks. First position wins.

If it is difficult not to press the Python button when you wish to use a proprietary language, you may find the Android emulator of the HP Prime useful - It still lacks Python.
However, that emulator is not available on modern Androids.

8031Brown · 07-12-2024, 11:46 AM

(07-12-2024 01:33 AM)toml_12953 Wrote:
(07-11-2024 07:09 PM)Raymond Del Tondo Wrote: Problem solved.

He doesn't want the developers to spend a lot of time debugging Python on the Prime because he doesn't use it. To hell with the rest of us, I guess.

Correct in the first part. But I wouldn't exactly say to hell with anyone. It also occurs to me that if someone bought an HP Prime recently enough, after the Python app became available then they might argue that it is important. But that wasn't the case for me.

There are lots of options out there for Python fans. Not so many without. I think all the top-tier calculators come with Python which is why I chose the Prime as an alternative.

I still think the Prime is a marvellous calculator/hand-held computer.

Eddie W. Shore · 07-12-2024, 01:43 PM

I hope the next version will allow us to save files in the Python app without having to duplicate the app. I am using Python more and hope to include the HP Prime in that journey.

Eddie W. Shore · 07-12-2024, 01:45 PM

(07-11-2024 09:27 AM)8031Brown Wrote: Good news. I hope the user base gets behind this release and gives support and only constructive criticism.
Going forward, I hope not too much time is wasted on Python. I don't use Python. I didn't buy my Prime as a Python device. Indeed, it didn't originally have the Python app. Please do focus on refining PPL.
If other people feel differently I suggest they go and use their PC, tablet, etc. instead.

Cool. You don't have to use Python, doesn't mean no one else can use the app.

StephenG1CMZ · 07-12-2024, 02:11 PM

(07-12-2024 11:46 AM)8031Brown Wrote:
(07-12-2024 01:33 AM)toml_12953 Wrote: He doesn't want the developers to spend a lot of time debugging Python on the Prime because he doesn't use it. To hell with the rest of us, I guess.

Correct in the first part. But I wouldn't exactly say to hell with anyone. It also occurs to me that if someone bought an HP Prime recently enough, after the Python app became available then they might argue that it is important. But that wasn't the case for me.

There are lots of options out there for Python fans. Not so many without. I think all the top-tier calculators come with Python which is why I chose the Prime as an alternative.

I still think the Prime is a marvellous calculator/hand-held computer.

Back when I chose the HP Prime, Python on calculators was rare - I wanted a portable platform for coding, and PPL was good enough. The actual device wasn't in the shops, so I went with the Android emulator - which had the advantage of always available, and code could be cut-and-pasted online without worrying about cables/wifi for connectivity.

Since then, it's availability has slowly withered away: You needed to be online, or it crashed; you needed an old android, or it didn't exist; and the emulator still lacks Python, which is now available on several other calculators.

In the meantime, Numworks simply works (although keydown is dreadful).

amindanial · (This post was last modified: 07-13-2024 11:03 AM by amindanial.)

I think the Python environment is important nowadays. I hope the new firmware address the bugs of the Python environment on HP Prime, which is very buggy.

Dirk.nl · (This post was last modified: 07-13-2024 03:24 PM by Dirk.nl.)

Klaas hartelijk dank voor deze update, fijn dat jullie de software ondersteuning voortzetten, is in goede handen!
Klaas, thank you very much for this update!

Greetings, Dirk Hartland

Rigel · 07-13-2024, 04:40 PM

Working smoothly so far on G2.

Dougggg · 07-14-2024, 02:51 AM

Speaking of python, I think I used to be able to click on the SYMB or NUm key on the selected python program but now on g1 it resets the CALC AND ON G2 THE CALC freezes and have to hit the reset button. I don't think that happened on prev version i can still select it with enter and then every thing is ok using the num or symb

KlaasKuperus · 07-16-2024, 07:53 AM

(07-13-2024 11:00 AM)amindanial Wrote: I think the Python environment is important nowadays. I hope the new firmware address the bugs of the Python environment on HP Prime, which is very buggy.

I agree with you on this one, Python is getting more important. So we'll certainly continue our focus on this as well.

Alder Statesman · 07-16-2024, 12:01 PM

After five days of use, including some simple Python programs, no issues for me on my G2.

Eddie W. Shore · 07-16-2024, 01:55 PM

(07-13-2024 11:00 AM)amindanial Wrote: I think the Python environment is important nowadays. I hope the new firmware address the bugs of the Python environment on HP Prime, which is very buggy.

I agree 100%. I'm starting to use Python more as time goes on.

toml_12953 · 07-16-2024, 07:05 PM

(07-16-2024 12:01 PM)Alder Statesman Wrote: After five days of use, including some simple Python programs, no issues for me on my G2.

Do you use the Python app or do you create a PPL wrapper? The wrapper works fine for me but when I start the Python app, my G2 resets or locks up.

Alder Statesman · 07-16-2024, 09:03 PM

(07-16-2024 07:05 PM)toml_12953 Wrote:
(07-16-2024 12:01 PM)Alder Statesman Wrote: After five days of use, including some simple Python programs, no issues for me on my G2.

Do you use the Python app or do you create a PPL wrapper? The wrapper works fine for me but when I start the Python app, my G2 resets or locks up.

I am using the Python app. No issues so far.

I have a slightly more involved program to allocate some expense items that I hope to work on this evening. Update to follow.

nbc12 · 07-17-2024, 02:59 AM

(07-16-2024 07:05 PM)toml_12953 Wrote:
(07-16-2024 12:01 PM)Alder Statesman Wrote: After five days of use, including some simple Python programs, no issues for me on my G2.

Do you use the Python app or do you create a PPL wrapper? The wrapper works fine for me but when I start the Python app, my G2 resets or locks up.

In my very limited experience with the Python app, when main.py contains a syntax error and when I try to open the Python app, if I choose to run the program instead of edit the program, it hangs and I have to reset the prime with a paperclip. Maybe this is why your prime was locking up.

For instance, last night when I was trying the beta, there was also some weirdness when it put "New Program" before my import statements as I exited the app. This caused the app to hang when I opened it, because obviously "New Programimport" is not valid Python syntax.

I am unsure if either of these issues were present on the previous firmware either, this was my first time really diving into Python on the prime.

jonteague · 07-17-2024, 08:12 PM

Hi Klaas,

Are the macOS versions of the connectivity kit and (more relevant to me) the Prime Virtual going to be released with the new firmware too? The macOS Virtual Prime is still on 2.1.14425.

Cheers,
Jon.

8031Brown · 07-18-2024, 12:32 PM

Well, I definitely seem to be in the minority here. I suppose the herd goes where it goes.

But on a practical note, how much memory does Python use? Can I remove it from my calculator?

You know, I can't help thinking if I were hanging out in a Linux forum with all the kool kiddies, and someone brought up the issue of an unwanted app being installed without a user's consent, the howls of protest and righteous indignation would be great indeed.

Maybe, I should just let it go? Or drop my HP Prime in the trash.

toml_12953 · 07-18-2024, 01:07 PM

(07-18-2024 12:32 PM)8031Brown Wrote: Maybe, I should just let it go? Or drop my HP Prime in the trash.

It's your Prime. Do what you want with it. Just remember, though, that you aren't the center of the universe which is what your original post sounded like you thought. PPL will continue to develop and so will Python. It's not a zero-sum game where, in order to develop Python, they have to reduce work on PPL.