Sob
07-18-2022, 03:21 PM
Post: #21
 tangdfx Member Posts: 73 Joined: Mar 2018
RE: Sob
Hi， Tony

Is it link to the malfunction of tvm financail function on multi calc and harald classic board on model HP 37 HP 38E/C？

There are few people play financial model to find these unnormal phenomenon.

HP35 HP45 HP55 HP65 HP67 HP21 HP25 HP29C HP19C HP97 HP10C HP11C HP12C HP15C HP16C HP31E HP32E HP33E HP33C HP34C HP37E HP38E HP38C HP41
07-18-2022, 10:19 PM
Post: #22
 teenix Senior Member Posts: 2,033 Joined: May 2016
RE: Sob
(07-18-2022 03:21 PM)tangdfx Wrote:  Hi， Tony

Is it link to the malfunction of tvm financail function on multi calc and harald classic board on model HP 37 HP 38E/C？

There are few people play financial model to find these unnormal phenomenon.

Not sure what the tvm function is

cheers

Tony
07-19-2022, 12:27 AM
Post: #23
 rprosperi Super Moderator Posts: 6,192 Joined: Dec 2013
RE: Sob
(07-18-2022 10:19 PM)teenix Wrote:  Not sure what the tvm function is

cheers

Tony

tvm = Time Value of Money, the core N, I, PV, PMT, FV function/feature set on all the finance machines. They were a bit inconsistent on the early 80/70 Classic machines and the 22, a bit better on the 27 but overall have not changed much at all since HP-92.

--Bob Prosperi
07-19-2022, 12:31 AM (This post was last modified: 07-19-2022 12:35 AM by tangdfx.)
Post: #24
 tangdfx Member Posts: 73 Joined: Mar 2018
RE: Sob
Hi，Tony

TVM is time value of money.

The basic solver of N i PV PMT FV.

The result is wrong when you do TVM calculation in Multi calc and Harald which they share the same code actually.

The wrong result is only within the model HP 37 HP 38E and HP38C.

It is OK within HP 70 HP 80 HP 22 HP 27 .

HP35 HP45 HP55 HP65 HP67 HP21 HP25 HP29C HP19C HP97 HP10C HP11C HP12C HP15C HP16C HP31E HP32E HP33E HP33C HP34C HP37E HP38E HP38C HP41
07-19-2022, 01:21 AM
Post: #25
 teenix Senior Member Posts: 2,033 Joined: May 2016
RE: Sob
OK thanks.

I can look at it but I am hamstrung living where I am at the moment. Just about everything I have is packed up in boxes spread out over relatives different places, not sure for how long.

The source code is published in the MultiCalc download and should simulate ok in Microchip MBLAB v5.05 ok if anyone else wants a crack at solving it :-)

cheers

Tony
07-19-2022, 10:08 PM
Post: #26
 Mike T. Member Posts: 114 Joined: Dec 2013
RE: TVM (was sob)
(07-19-2022 12:31 AM)tangdfx Wrote:  Hi，Tony

TVM is time value of money.

The basic solver of N i PV PMT FV.

The result is wrong when you do TVM calculation in Multi calc and Harald which they share the same code actually.

The wrong result is only within the model HP 37 HP 38E and HP38C.

It is OK within HP 70 HP 80 HP 22 HP 27 .
Could you post an example showing how to reproduce the error ? Thanks

Mike T.

HP21, HP25, HP32E, HP33C, HP34C, HP10C, HP11C, HP12C, HP32S, HP22S
07-20-2022, 02:56 AM (This post was last modified: 07-20-2022 02:32 PM by tangdfx.)
Post: #27
 tangdfx Member Posts: 73 Joined: Mar 2018
RE: Sob
Hi， Mike

I give you an example:

For N=360，I=0.27 , PV=1020000 , FV=0, in end mode.

Solve PMT should be PMT=-4439.10. But the Model HP37 ,HP38E,HP 38C show result PMT=-235006353.4

This problem only happen in physical emulator Multi clac and Harald board.

Thank you.

HP35 HP45 HP55 HP65 HP67 HP21 HP25 HP29C HP19C HP97 HP10C HP11C HP12C HP15C HP16C HP31E HP32E HP33E HP33C HP34C HP37E HP38E HP38C HP41
07-20-2022, 02:30 PM (This post was last modified: 07-20-2022 02:39 PM by tangdfx.)
Post: #28
 tangdfx Member Posts: 73 Joined: Mar 2018
RE: Sob
Sorry everyone.

It is my mistake due to misleading by the overlay.

The overlay exchange the PMT and PV button.

This is the root cause.

But anyway. There is another bug in the hardware of Multi Calc and Harald board.

Every time when you choose the model HP38C it will show Pr error.

This bug cause the continue memory can not be used.

HP35 HP45 HP55 HP65 HP67 HP21 HP25 HP29C HP19C HP97 HP10C HP11C HP12C HP15C HP16C HP31E HP32E HP33E HP33C HP34C HP37E HP38E HP38C HP41
07-20-2022, 07:53 PM
Post: #29
 teenix Senior Member Posts: 2,033 Joined: May 2016
RE: Sob
(07-20-2022 02:30 PM)tangdfx Wrote:  Sorry everyone.

It is my mistake due to misleading by the overlay.

The overlay exchange the PMT and PV button.

This is the root cause.

My mistake too, new files uploaded, thanks for pointing that out.

cheers

Tony
07-20-2022, 11:09 PM
Post: #30
 Mike T. Member Posts: 114 Joined: Dec 2013
RE: Sob
(07-20-2022 02:56 AM)tangdfx Wrote:  Hi， Mike

I give you an example:

For N=360，I=0.27 , PV=1020000 , FV=0, in end mode.

Solve PMT should be PMT=-4439.10. But the Model HP37 ,HP38E,HP 38C show result PMT=-235006353.4

This problem only happen in physical emulator Multi clac and Harald board.

Thank you.

Interesting, on my HP38C emulator I get a result of '-4,433.51' which agrees with the result I get on my real HP12C as well as my HP22 and HP12C emulators.

'Swapping' PV and PMT over (which appears to be the cause of the problem) on my real HP12C gives '-234,667,432.8'.

However, these results are not exactly the same as the answers you gave. What model were you using?

Mike T.

HP21, HP25, HP32E, HP33C, HP34C, HP10C, HP11C, HP12C, HP32S, HP22S
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