HP41c HP-IL Development Module - Box pic ?

[Johnboy]

Hi, would anyone have a good colour scan of the box lid for HP 00041-15043 HP-IL Development Module, especially the rust red colour label at the bottom ?

Any help appreciated.

Thanks
John

[Sylvain Cote]

Unfortunately, this is one of the rare 41 module from HP that I do not have the original box.
Actually, I do not remember when I bought an original one in the 1980's if there was even a box with this one.

FYI, that module was released twice:

• HP-IL Diagnostic Module (internal version)
  ROM → ET-14048
  MAN → Steve Chou : PIL Diagnostic ROM Preliminary ERS (12/80)
  .
• 00041-15043 : HP-IL Development (official version)
  ROM → 5061-5271
  MAN → 00041-90449 : HP-IL Development Module Owner's Manual (10/82)
  

Sylvain

[Johnboy]

Hi Sylvain,

To be honest I have no idea if there was ever a box either !. I just happened to have a spare brand new Ext-IO module box, so I thought I would re-label it to be my IL Dev Module Box, after all a 41c accessory box is a 41c accessory box, the only difference is the sticker on the front.

I didn't know there were two releases of this module, is there an easy way to tell which one I have ?

Cheers,
John

[Massimo Gnerucci]

(03-28-2023 09:03 AM)Johnboy Wrote:  Hi Sylvain,

To be honest I have no idea if there was ever a box either !. I just happened to have a spare brand new Ext-IO module box, so I thought I would re-label it to be my IL Dev Module Box, after all a 41c accessory box is a 41c accessory box, the only difference is the sticker on the front.

I didn't know there were two releases of this module, is there an easy way to tell which one I have ?

Cheers,
John

Is there no label on your module?

[rprosperi]

(03-28-2023 09:03 AM)Johnboy Wrote:  I didn't know there were two releases of this module, is there an easy way to tell which one I have ?

Cheers,
John

The HP-IL Diagnostic Module was never released as a product per-se, it was used internally within HP, but over time eventually escaped both by HP service folks leaving modules in 41s sent in for service, and also via PPC.

If your module has the normal (white lettering on black) HP-IL Devel ROM label, then it's the normal, released version.

I think I still have my original box from the 80's and will check in the next couple days. IIRC, it was not the standard (red on beige) box style, but could be wrong.

[ThomasM]

Hello John,

is this the label you are looking for? I think it is an early version.

Greetings

Thomas

[rprosperi]

(03-28-2023 12:43 PM)ThomasM Wrote:  Hello John,

is this the label you are looking for? I think it is an early version.

Greetings

Thomas

Thank you Thomas!! Saved me form moving many boxes!!!

[Johnboy]

I will have to dig mine out to see what version it is, brb .....

Cheers,
John

[Sylvain Cote]

(03-28-2023 12:42 PM)rprosperi Wrote:  The HP-IL Diagnostic Module was never released as a product per-se, it was used internally within HP, but over time eventually escaped both by HP service folks leaving modules in 41s sent in for service, and also via PPC.

Actually, the 00041-15043 version was released and was in official price lists with a SRP of 75.00 USD.
It was also included in the 82166C HP-IL Development Kit.

[rprosperi]

(03-29-2023 03:33 AM)Sylvain Cote Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 12:42 PM)rprosperi Wrote:  The HP-IL Diagnostic Module was never released as a product per-se, it was used internally within HP, but over time eventually escaped both by HP service folks leaving modules in 41s sent in for service, and also via PPC.

Actually, the 00041-15043 version was released and was in official price lists with a SRP of 75.00 USD.
It was also included in the 82166C HP-IL Development Kit.

Wow! Thanks for correcting me!

While I now recall the latter, I don't think I ever knew that it was formally sold and included on price lists. I don't doubt you about the price list, but which kind of list have you seen this on, e.g. in the common tri-fold brochure-type lists of that era, or on the full-page document-type lists? I have many of them and will peruse them to find it, primarily to see what other obscure products were included at that time. No need to scan it, just ;let me know the date if you find one.

Of course the question now becomes what was the box/label like for the Diag ROM SKU that was sold....

[Sylvain Cote]

(03-29-2023 12:49 PM)rprosperi Wrote:  I don't doubt you about the price list, but which kind of list have you seen this on, e.g. in the common tri-fold brochure-type lists of that era, or on the full-page document-type lists?

HP Price List April 1984, p2 (standard white paper list)
ref: HHC_2022_USB_DRIVE/PPC Archive 2.41/HP Materials/HP Price List 1984 04.pdf

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| 00041-15043 | HP-41 HP-IL Development Module | $75.00 |

[rprosperi]

(03-29-2023 02:07 PM)Sylvain Cote Wrote:  

(03-29-2023 12:49 PM)rprosperi Wrote:  I don't doubt you about the price list, but which kind of list have you seen this on, e.g. in the common tri-fold brochure-type lists of that era, or on the full-page document-type lists?

HP Price List April 1984, p2 (standard white paper list)
ref: HHC_2022_USB_DRIVE/PPC Archive 2.41/HP Materials/HP Price List 1984 04.pdf

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| 00041-15043 | HP-41 HP-IL Development Module | $75.00 |

Oh, that's the HP-IL Development Module! I was referring to the HP-IL Diagnostic ROM above when I said it was never sold, which I still believe.

And looking at the 82166C Contents one can see the HP-IL Development ROM was included here as well.

I believe the "devel ROM" was a superset of the Diag ROM, which is likely how HP "productized" the earlier tool, originally intended for internal use.

[Sylvain Cote]

(03-29-2023 02:52 PM)rprosperi Wrote:  Oh, that's the HP-IL Development Module! I was referring to the HP-IL Diagnostic ROM above when I said it was never sold, which I still believe.

Yep! you are right, the diagnostic version was never sold to the public.

(03-29-2023 02:52 PM)rprosperi Wrote:  And looking at the 82166C Contents one can see the HP-IL Development ROM was included here as well.

Two modules and one manual was included.

(03-29-2023 02:52 PM)rprosperi Wrote:  I believe the "devel ROM" was a superset of the Diag ROM, which is likely how HP "productized" the earlier tool, originally intended for internal use.

Code:

* Diagnostic  Develop.    Description
  ----------  ----------  ------------------------------------------------------
  RFRM        RFRM        Reads the already present message into X,Y
  WFRM        WFRM        Writes a message using X,Y, waiting for ORAV
  RREG        RREG        Reads HP-IL IC register specified by X
  WREG        WREG        Writes X to HP-IL register number in Y
  CF33        CF33        Clears user flag 33
  SF33        SF33        Sets user flag 33
  FRAV?       FRAV?       Tests for the FRAV bit true
  FRNS?       FRNS?       Tests for the FRNS bit true
  IFCR?       IFCR?       Tests for the IFCR bit true
  ORAV?       ORAV?       Tests for the ORAV bit true
  SRQR?       SRQR?       Tests for the SRQR bit true
  AAU         AAU         Sends AAU (auto-address unconfigure)
  CMD         CMD         Sends arbitrary CMD from X
  DDL         DDL         Sends the DDL message specified in X
  DDT         DDT         Sends the DDT message specified in X
  GET         GET         Sends GET
  GTL         GTL         Sends GTL
  IFC         IFC         Sends IFC (interface clear)
  LAD         LAD         Sends the LAD message specified in X (listen address)
  LPD         LPD         Sends LPD (loop power down)
  REN         REN         Sends REN
  SDC         SDC         Sends SDC
  TAD         TAD         Sends the TAD message specified in X (talker address)
  UNL         UNL         Sends UNL (unlisten)
  UNT         UNT         Sends UNT (untalk)
  AAD         AAD         Sends the AAD message specified in X
  NRD         NRD         Performs NRD handshake on current data message
  SAI         SAI         Sends SAI, returns ID to X
  SDA         SDA         Sends SDA
  SDI         SDI         Sends SDI, returns data to ALPHA
  SST         SST         Sends SST, returns status to X
  TCT         TCT         Sends TCT, waits for incoming message
  IDY         IDY         Sends an IDY message, returns data bits to X
  A-BUF       A-BUF       Stores the ALPHA register to the buffer
  A=BUF?      A=BUF?      Compare ALPHA register to the buffer
  A=BUFX?     A=BUFX?     Compare X bytes from ALPHA to the buffer
  AIPT        AIPT        Sets auto increment of pointer mode
  BSIZE?      BSIZE?      Returns the buffer size to X
  BUF-AX      BUF-AX      Place X bytes into ALPHA from the buffer
  BUF-RGX     BUF-RGX     Copy buffer bytes to registers
  BUF-XA      BUF-XA      Convert a string to a number in X
  BUF-XB      BUF-XB      Convert binary in buffer to decimal in X
  INBIN       INBIN       Input binary to X
  INBUFX      INBUFX      Input data messages into buffer using X
  MIPT        MIPT        Sets manual increment of pointer mode
  MONITOR     MONITOR     Displays HP-IL messages manually
  OUTBIN      OUTBIN      Output binary from X
  OUTBINY     OUTBINY     Output binary from X, using Y as the number
  OUTBUFX     OUTBUFX     Output data messages from buffer using X
  PRBYTES     PRBYTES     Prints bytes from the buffer
  PRFRMS      PRFRMS      Prints messages from the buffer
  PT=         PT=         Sets the buffer pointer equal to X
  PT?         PT?         Returns the buffer pointer to X
  RG-BUFX     RG-BUFX     Copy registers to buffer using X
  RG=BUF?     RG=BUF?     Compare registers to the buffer using X
  ROMCHKX     ROMCHKX     Performs checksum of the Xth ROM
  SCOPE       SCOPE       Displays HP-IL messages
  X-BUF       X-BUF       Store X to buffer in binary
  X<>FLAG     X<>FLAG     Exchange user flags 0 through 7 with X
  X=BUF?      X=BUF?      Compare X to buffer in binary
- IOFSX?                  Test 41C CPU IO/Flag by X
~ SETBUFX     BSIZEX      Initializes a buffer with X bytes
+             A-XL        Removes the leftmost ALPHA and puts it in X
+             A-XR        Removes the rightmost ALPHA and puts it in X
+             A-XX        The Xth ALPHA character's value is placed in X
+             X-AL        ASCII number in X is put to left of ALPHA
+             X-AR        ASCII number in X is put to right of ALPHA
+             Y-AX        ASCII number in Y is placed in ALPHA at X
+             AND         ANDs the X- and Y-registers and returns to X
+             ASIZE?      X gets the number of characters in ALPHA
+             BININ       Inputs a number in bDinary
+             BINVIEW     Shows the value of X in binary
+             BIT?        Tests to see if the Xth bit of Y is set
+             HEXIN       Inputs a number in hexadecimal
+             HEXVIEW     Shows the value of X in hexadecimal
+             NOT         X gets the one's complement of X
+             NRE         Sends NRE
+             OCTIN       Inputs a number in octal
+             OCTVIEW     Shows the value of X in octal
+             OR          ORs the X- and Y-registers and returns to X
+             ROTXY       Rotates Y to the right by X bits
+             XOR         Exclusive ORs X and Y and returns to X

[HP-Collection]

For those who wants to check their HP82166 Kits I've made a content list. Hope there are no mistakes:

82166A Kit

• 2x 82166A HP-IL Converters
• 2x 82167A HP-IL 0.5m Cables
• 2x GPIO connectors
• 1x 82166-60013 HP-IL Interfacing Board
• 1x 82166-90002 HP-IL Converter Technical Manual
• 1x 82165-90012 HP-IL Converter Manual Supplement



82166B Kit

• 10x 82166A HP-IL Converters



82166C Kit

Manuals & Softwares
• 1x 82166-90020 The HP-IL Interface Kit, Technical Guide
• 1x 82166-90016 The HP-IL Integrated Circuit, User's Manual
• 1x 82166-90017 The HP-IL Interface Specification
• 1x 82166-90013 Caution Card
• 1x 5955-9425 The HP-IL System, Book, ISBN: 0-931988-77-2
• 1x 82166-90002 HP-IL Converter, Technical Manual
• 1x 82165-90012 HP-IL Converter, Manual Supplement
• 2x 5061-5271 HP-41 HP-IL Development Module
• 1x 00041-90449 HP-41 HP-IL Development Module, Owner's Manual
• 1x 00075-90122 HP-75 I/O Utilities, Manual
• 1x 00075-12022 HP-75 I/O Utilities, Magnetic Cards
• 1x 00075-90144 HP-75 RIOWIO, Instruction Card
• 1x 00075-12025 HP-75 RIOWIO, Magnetic Cards

Electronic Parts Early Kits (before mid 1983)

• 8x 0683-1535 Resistor 15 kilohms 5% 25 watt
• 8x 0698-3446 Resistor 383 ohms 1% .125 watt
• 8x 0160-4292 Capacitor 330 picofarad 5%
• 8x 1902-0953 Xener Diode 6.2 volt 1N753A
• 8x 1902-0970 Xener Diode 33 volt 1N973B

Electronic Parts Later Kits (after mid 1983)
• 4x 1810-0651 HP-IL Hybrid Network

Common Parts (Early+Later kits)

• 4x 0160-0576 Capacitor 0.1 microfarad
• 4x 0180-3135 Capacitor 10 microfarad
• 4x 0160-4800 Capacitor 120 picofarad 5%
• 4x 9100-1631 Inductor 56 microhenry 5%
• 2x 0410-1305 Crystal 4 megahertz
• 8x 0624-0626 Screw 2-28 self-tapping
• 8x 3050-0626 Washer flat
• 4x 0950-0852 HP-IL Panel Receptacle
• 4x 9100-4226 HP-IL Pulse Transformer
• 4x ILB3-0003 HP-IL integrated circuit
• 2x 1820-2810 Microprocessor IC
• 1x 9311-4320 82166C HP-IL Interface Kit Box

[Johnboy]

I checked my module over the weekend, and I have the "official" on too.

Thanks for all the info folks, much appreciated !

Cheers,
John

[Johnboy]

So, I am thinking of selling my 5061-5271 HP-41 HP-IL Development Module as part of a reduction of my HP calculator stuff !

I can't see any listed on eBay or anywhere else, which surprises me as I would have thought there would be a lot of these about considering they were included in the 82166 kits.

Any idea what the 5061-5271 HP-41 HP-IL Development Module with a nice reproduction spiral bound colour manual might be worth ?

Thanks
John